Yes dear, hence theOriginally posted by Waverly:
<STRONG>Technology to which the laws of thermodynamics don't apply?! That's crazy talk</STRONG>
duh But then aren't scientific principles only valid as long as the universe conforms to them? Or something... And the last time you saw a bad guy actually capable of hitting something with his automatic rifle as the good guy picks off each bad guy with a perfect shot in a Hollywood movie was... when?Originally posted by Fable:
<STRONG>Only thing more laughable was the fact that the Evil Guys couldn't hit them with automatics within six feet, guns blazing: riiiiight.. </STRONG>
IMO that is endeed a seroius possiblity if we(when we) someday invent a true A.I. if we can't controll it, it will due to logical thinking want to secure it's own survival, and how do you do that - eleminate the worst competition.Originally posted by KidD01:
<STRONG>A distubring thought here : Most film mentioned sometime in the future later, computer will take over the humanity. The owrst is they tend to look at humans as a plague
Example :
Terminator 1 & 2 : Which Skynet gain conciousness ans then make robots to take over perhaps the correct word is to slave the humans
Ghost in the Shell : An anime where a program used by an organisation in the net after sometime gain a certain conciousness and plan to have a life as human.
Matrix : Human get run over by Virtual reality ?</STRONG>
Oh My! We seem to be forgetting something here people...Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>I got a chance to see The Matrix about 8 weeks ago, and my opinion pretty much mirrors yours. They can't let someone out of the matrix after their teens, the venerable Yoda-like instructor/leader tells our young hero; but his remarks at the end of the film show he plans to "free" everyone by doing just that. And those cheerleader cartwheels done by the hero and heroine in the big shoot-up scene? Only thing more laughable was the fact that the Evil Guys couldn't hit them with automatics within six feet, guns blazing: riiiiight..
Let's have an example shall we:*OMG* - is it a MOVIE????????Originally posted by Vehemence:
<STRONG>Oh My! We seem to be forgetting something here people...
It's a MOVIE!!! You know, a ficticious story which is often entertaining. Hence the reason people watch them!
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) there is nothing wrong with just watching a movie for entertainment.Originally posted by KidD01:
<STRONG>A distubring thought here : Most film mentioned sometime in the future later, computer will take over the humanity. The owrst is they tend to look at humans as a plague
Example :
Terminator 1 & 2 : Which Skynet gain conciousness ans then make robots to take over perhaps the correct word is to slave the humans
Ghost in the Shell : An anime where a program used by an organisation in the net after sometime gain a certain conciousness and plan to have a life as human.
Matrix : Human get run over by Virtual reality ?</STRONG>
You're the only one who's forgetting something, Vehemence: that everybody here is entitled to an opinion of their own. Considering learning to respect the abilities of others who dare to disagree with your mindset and don't like what you think great. Maybe you're learn something. Maybe not.Vehemence writes:
Oh My! We seem to be forgetting something here people...
It's a MOVIE!!! You know, a ficticious story which is often entertaining. Hence the reason people watch them!
Because, they're not fighting agents, they are fighting normal security guards who are confined by the rules of the matrix, while our heroes have learned how to bend those rules? The security guards aren't supposed to pose much of an opposition, the only people who can come close to being a threat are the agents. ), in order for the two of them to get through the lobby before the agents realised what was going on. And don't forget Neo's not the brightest guy around... the way they do it is more his style than a stealth attack Well i watched the ORIGINAL 'The Haunting' ages ago and jsut kind of got on with it. I sat down and analysed the film on Saturday and came as close to loosing control of my bowelsOriginally posted by Vehemence:
<STRONG>It's a movie for god sake.
Doesn't anyone just watch movies for the experience any more?
Analyse this, analyse that... sheesh! No wonder we aren't going anywhere in the world today, where all still chasing our tails trying to figure out how it's stuck on!
it is more scary when you analyse it, the only film htat has ever done that to me. Fable, let's dance No no, I didn't forget. I'm well aware that each and everyone is allowed their opinion (hence me expressing mine). In fact going against the dominant analytical trend in this thread with my entertaining reasoning is just showing an alternate opinion to everyone else who would quickly analyse and pick on certain elements.You're the only one who's forgetting something, Vehemence: that everybody here is entitled to an opinion of their own. Considering learning to respect the abilities of others who dare to disagree with your mindset and don't like what you think great. Maybe you're learn something. Maybe not.
I'm sorry but where oh where did you get the impression that I meant that it was satirical by this quote of mine:The film's story was not meant to be satirical. It was meant to be a cyperpunk thriller, and believable within the framework of its own universe, like The Maltese Falcon, or Star Wars. We were supposed to feel tension when the good guys and the bad guys shot it off and did ninja numbers at one another. Instead, the people I was with, including myself, without exception howled in disbelief at the film at this point. (And others points, too--you've neglected to respond to the contradiction in film text I mentioned, earlier.) We all considered it a terrible waste of money, so we rented an old Laurel & Hardy comedy and laughed our asses off.
Meant to be a cyberpunk thriller? Yes, so things looking cool would fit right in here wouldn't you say?They did the cartwheels and massive dodging because it looks cool!
I'm sorry, where you the director? Producer? Maybe the writer? No... hmmm... so by what right do you claim that we (as in all of us) are supposed to see it that way? Perception is highly individualistic and to make an assumption as to how we're supposed to interpret something is more arrogant than anything I have stated.We were supposed to feel tension when the good guys and the bad guys shot it off and did ninja numbers at one another
Glad you agreeOh, but wait: we couldn't do that. Because supposedly we like to analyze films, and can't enjoy 'em. Right. Cancel the above. Of course
Fantasy... matrix... fantasy... matrix... Yep, sorry, how did we get into fantasy? I thought this was a, what did you call it? Punk Thriller? The fact that you don't find the stuff that I think great is not good is obvious and at the same time, expected. So what's that got to do with it? I was simply pointing out that some of us go for the entertainment value. Are you saying that if you don't like it you analyse it?It might surprise you that some of us really go for fantasy, including light entertainment; even write it ourselves, and get it published; but that we just don't find the stuff you think great is--how shall I delicately put this? ah, yes--GOOD
Picky picky pickyFirst, it was both the hero and the heroine.
Ouch... so much for playing nice. Don't let this get too personal Mr. Radio Man... there's plenty of wet fish in a bucket with your name written all over itThe idea that somebody has to agree with what you believe comprises entertainment or they're automatically wrong is probably the most original concept you've ever had
There are plenty of cr*p films you could be criticising. You're all welcome to your opinions but I just sit back, let myself be entertained and let the Dolby Digital 5.1 and my Widescreen TV do its lovely, lovely work. Nope. Not to say heat in a conversation is always bad; it's sometimes pretty damn good. But that's when both people are being fairly represented, and their ideas are under discussion. Instead, I'm just being personally attacked as an "analyst" by people who are ignoring everything I write that disproves these remarks. The subject isn't the film; it's me. If I got angered in my last post (and I did), it's because I don't like being mis-represented, or told I'm automatically wrong by somebody who can't stand an opposing view, and automatically pigeon-holes it--while refusing to deal with the points it raised. After all, you don't need to analyze a film to know you don't like it, and it never hurts to figure out why you didn't like it after you get through watching it.Anatres writes:
Wow! fable and Vehemence. Nice point-counterpoint. Although it's starting to heat up a bit - but that's a good thing.
I don't know anybody who looks for flawless films, and the fact that I'm a fan of anime should have given that away, long ago.Gruntboy writes:
There are very few flawless films. I watched the Matrix and thought it kicked heinie. There are plenty of cr*p films you could be criticising. You're all welcome to your opinions but I just sit back, let myself be entertained and let the Dolby Digital 5.1 and my Widescreen TV do its lovely, lovely work.
I just look at a film, see if I like it, and figure out afterwards why I did, or didn't. The criticism is all post mortem. During the film, as my wife and friends will tell you, I just experience, and my reactions are more uninhibited than most folks, especially when I like something a lot. I've been voted Most Embarassing Person to Attend a Good Comedy With in my circle for six years running. I've even been told to shut up by patrons who didn't get gags or didn't laugh at 'em, which I thought were screamingly funny. My reactions are visceral. But at least, dislike our views without misrepresenting us. We're not looking for perfect films. We're people like you, same three arms, green blood...um, well, anyway, we're just people who are looking for good films, and we found Matrix to be a very bad one. Enough said. But if somebody were to say to me, "Heh, Fable, you like Buster Keaton, and you like Charlie Chaplin. You say they were wildly funny comics. Which do you like best, and why?" -I'd have to do some analysis to explain the differences that I see. 
