The Matrix

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 4:49 am

'Saw it four times, was genuinely impressed, but still harbour some questions about the whole movie:

1. Neo is the "Chosen One" by virtue of... what? His ability to hack? Does being a Kevin Dorner clone give him the power to bend virtual reality?

2. If you die in the Matrix, you die in real life. How come? Is it because the brain cannot distinguish one reality from another? Those who enter the Matrix, however, "know" they are entering the Matrix - they shouldn't die because their consciousness remains undivided. I mean, even we SYMians understand the difference between what is real and what is not real, right? Right? Right?!?!

3. 95% of the human race is encased in cocoons of amniotic fluid, their minds plugged into the Matrix, and their bodies guarded by mechanical octopuses bristling with lazer guns. How in the world will Neo and Morpheus liberate them all? They can't even walk! Their muscles are atrophied! (A typical Zion classified ad - "Wanted: 1 billion actupuncturists to mobilize humanity. Must be willing to work overtime").

4. Matrix II... Summer 2002?

... and last but not least -

5. Red or blue pill?

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Armadin of Clan Geddin · Sat Jun 23, 2001 4:53 am

3. 95% of the human race is encased in cocoons of amniotic fluid, their minds plugged into the Matrix, and their bodies guarded by mechanical octopuses bristling with lazer guns. How in the world will Neo and Morpheus liberate them all? They can't even walk! Their muscles are atrophied! (A typical Zion classified ad - "Wanted: 1 billion actupuncturists to mobilize humanity. Must be willing to work overtime").

Neo could walk immediately after he got out o' the pod. I be guessin' everyone else can as well.

4. Matrix II... Summer 2002?

Sometime sooner I be hopin'. It be sweet that it's gonna be a trilogy.

5. Red or blue pill?

Which one did which again?
I'd take the one to stay in Wonderland fer sure. O' course, if I didn't know what was "outside", I think it'd be the o'er one. I just be too curious.

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 5:13 am

2. If you die in the Matrix, you die in real life. How come? Is it because the brain cannot distinguish one reality from another? Those who enter the Matrix, however, "know" they are entering the Matrix - they shouldn't die because their consciousness remains undivided. I mean, even we SYMians understand the difference between what is real and what is not real, right? Right? Right?!?!

Subcounsushly(sp?) you think because they(the robot thingys) did sucha good job in disguising it to the mind it does look real

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 6:13 am

SPOILER WARNING!

Originally posted by EMINEM:

1. Neo is the "Chosen One" by virtue of... what? His ability to hack? Does being a Kevin Dorner clone give him the power to bend virtual reality?

He just is!

He was born the "Chosen One", could have been anyone but just so happened to be a hacker

2. If you die in the Matrix, you die in real life. How come? Is it because the brain cannot distinguish one reality from another? Those who enter the Matrix, however, "know" they are entering the Matrix - they shouldn't die because their consciousness remains undivided. I mean, even we SYMians understand the difference between what is real and what is not real, right? Right? Right?!?!

Yeah, the idea is that your brain thinks it's real, and therefore you react in the same way as you would IRL. What I don't get is when Neo dies (in the matrix, and IRL - he flatlines) and comes back to life. It would make sense if he only died in the matrix, but even being the chosen one isn't supposed to give him any more control over the real world. So how come he can die IRL? Doesn't make sense.

3. How in the world will Neo and Morpheus liberate them all?

If we knew the answer to that, we wouldn't need to watch the sequels now, would we?

Although the answer is probably "because he is The One"!

4. Matrix II... Summer 2002?

I believe they are in production at the moment. Current release dates say the US will see Matrix II in December 2002, and Matrix III in August 2003

5. Red or blue pill?

Can't remember, haven't seen it for ages...

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Vehemence · Post by **Vehemence** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 7:16 am

It's a movie for god sake.

Doesn't anyone just watch movies for the experience any more?

Analyse this, analyse that... sheesh! No wonder we aren't going anywhere in the world today, where all still chasing our tails trying to figure out how it's stuck on!

Armadin of Clan Geddin · Sat Jun 23, 2001 7:23 am

@Vehemence: Don't ye go tellin' me ye watch The Godfather just fer the "experience". If ye don't analyse that film, ye haven't truly seen it.

Vehemence · Post by **Vehemence** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 7:36 am

Your partly right Armadin. I haven't truly seen it. In fact, I haven't seen it at all.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:06 am

LOL@Veh

Come on, this is barely scratching the surface of the Matrix... I mean, you haven't analysed it until you've even figured out the significance of Morpheus' ship being called Nebuchadnezzar (sp?)

leedogg · Post by **leedogg** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:11 am

i think the movie rocked! it was a very cool, well thought out fantasy, that was portrayed 'excellent'ly(sorry Keuno reeves will be forever known from Bill and Ted's movies) by the cast. Morpheus was the best character IMO. i thought it was an interesting observation the bad guy made about the human race(us being a virus of sorts). the special effects were top notch, and it makes you think "what is deja vu anyway?".

i would have taken the pill to stay with Morpheus then sold them out like the one guy did.(yes, i am evil)

EDIT-Neo living in the end was pure movie magic. i mean, you had to have the 'LOVE CONQUERS ALL' fairy tale ending, or it wouldn't have made it in hollywood(much less, how to make 2 more Matrixes)

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Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:12 am

The entire time I was watching the matrix, I was thinking "you can't use humans as batteries. That violates the 1st law of thermodynamics. You'd have to but sooo much more energy into sustaining them then you'd ever get back"

That and canoe's deplorable acting wholly ruined it for me. I didn't like the female lead much better. Her face ached.

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leedogg · Post by **leedogg** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:22 am

yes wavey, i agree that it is entirely impossible(i hope). i still found the movie entertaining.

Armadin of Clan Geddin · Sat Jun 23, 2001 8:27 am

@Waverly: Lemme guess. The Star Wars trilogy sucked, right?

Not that I finded The Matrix extraordinary, I just not thinked it were that bad.

If there be one trilogy I will be lovin' forever, it be The Godfather, except the 3rd film, that sucked.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 9:59 am

@Wavy and you're less shallow than you used to be?

I thought Keanu Reeves was quite good in that role, simply because it required him to be pretty clueless, not really know what's going on, and look cool in black wearing sunglasses.

That's his kind of "acting"

Illustrated by the first time he sees Morpheus jump from building to building.. Neo: "Whoa."

Yeah, so you have to suspend disbelief. Maybe they are aliens with far superior technology that you couldn't possibly understand and to which the laws of thermodynamics don't actually apply?

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 10:09 am

Technology to which the laws of thermodynamics don't apply?! That's crazy talk

I'm quite fine at suspending disbelief... but I need the movie to give me some help. In fact I did quite like the Star Wars trilogy, though the prequal was a bit weaker. Did I say I hate canoe?

leedogg · Post by **leedogg** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:12 am

BTW-they weren't aliens they were A.I. robots that we built with the ability to build others as well as think for themselves.

i was watching a show on the discovery channel about artifitial(?) intelligence, and the people building this sluff are saying things like, "they could see us as pets or a nuisence, lets hope it's pets". and they are still building this stuff! WHY!!

ok that was a little off subject, but the movie is basically a worst case scenario of what AI can become.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:14 am

Originally posted by Waverly:
Did I say I hate canoe?

That makes two of us

(Three of us, my husbands shouts)

I thought Matrix was a nice looking movie with some nice special effects, but it didn't catch my interest. Canoe certainly did not help, his acting is so bad is removes me from the movie reality and constantly reminds me "it's a movie". He's had that effect on me in every movie I've seen him in.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:14 am

Originally posted by leedogg:
<snip>i was watching a show on the discovery channel about artifitial(?) intelligence, and the people building this sluff are saying things like, "they could see us as pets or a nuisence, lets hope it's pets". and they are still building this stuff! WHY!!
<snip>

Because they/we can

leedogg · Post by **leedogg** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 11:53 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
Because they/we can

i have to believe the government is also preparing a way to put an end to it, once it gets so far. magnetic pulse of some kind.

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 1:24 pm

Waverly wrote:
The entire time I was watching the matrix, I was thinking "you can't use humans as batteries. That violates the 1st law of thermodynamics. You'd have to but sooo much more energy into sustaining them then you'd ever get back"

I got a chance to see The Matrix about 8 weeks ago, and my opinion pretty much mirrors yours. They can't let someone out of the matrix after their teens, the venerable Yoda-like instructor/leader tells our young hero; but his remarks at the end of the film show he plans to "free" everyone by doing just that. And those cheerleader cartwheels done by the hero and heroine in the big shoot-up scene? Only thing more laughable was the fact that the Evil Guys couldn't hit them with automatics within six feet, guns blazing: riiiiight..

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Sat Jun 23, 2001 3:36 pm

Originally posted by Georgi:


Yeah, the idea is that your brain thinks it's real, and therefore you react in the same way as you would IRL. What I don't get is when Neo dies (in the matrix, and IRL - he flatlines) and comes back to life. It would make sense if he only died in the matrix, but even being the chosen one isn't supposed to give him any more control over the real world. So how come he can die IRL? Doesn't make sense.

Trinity's kiss "turned him on"...