Uthar Wynn and Darth Sion [POSSIBLE SPOILERS]

Sith Dog · Post by **Sith Dog** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:03 pm

I think I've figured out who Darth Sion is. I believe him to be Uthar Wynn, the Master of the Academy on Korriban. He sort of looks like Uthar. He is bald like him. Kind of has the same voice but darker. Uthar's death could have been explained by Revan killing him in KOTOR 1 and Kreia could have found him and brought him alive again. Tell me what you guys think.

Drunkside · Post by **Drunkside** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:11 pm

I dont think so.... The "story" kreia told seemed to have happened a loooong time before, and i think sion himself says that he had wandered wery long time(might be wrong).

Well its possible but i dont think he is his

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 1:01 pm

I'm inclined to agree with Drunkside, I really don't think they are the same people. You have to bear in mind that the time difference between KOTOR 1 and 2 is very short, possibly even only a few months or a year at most. Darth Sion had been around a lot longer than that, as had Nihilus. They were hiding beyond the outer rim and once Malak had been defeated and Revan left known space, they seized their opportunity. Plus, I'm pretty sure Kreia says that Nihilus and Sion were result of the events on Malachor V, which happened 4 years before Revan defeated Uthar on Korriban.

Kayos · Post by **Kayos** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 5:47 pm

it was 5 years between the two games.

dont you think that sion is to impatient, brutle, blunt, and just too much blind rage to be the deep, well spoken, subtle, time biding Uthar? i mean if he didnt like you, he wld send you on a mission that wld be benificial for him but suicidal for you. if sion didnt like you he just killed you then and there...

so no i dont think that uthar is sion.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Wed Jun 20, 2007 8:42 pm

I don't think they're the same people either. Darth Sion, to me, looks and behaves more like a thug (or even a gangster) whereas Uthar Wynn is more sophisticated and level-headed.

chrishalomaster · Post by **chrishalomaster** » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:38 pm

i dont think it is. but you never know. People can change in 3 days. theyve had 5 years.

Sith Dog · Post by **Sith Dog** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:42 pm

mr_sir wrote:I'm inclined to agree with Drunkside, I really don't think they are the same people. You have to bear in mind that the time difference between KOTOR 1 and 2 is very short, possibly even only a few months or a year at most. Darth Sion had been around a lot longer than that, as had Nihilus. They were hiding beyond the outer rim and once Malak had been defeated and Revan left known space, they seized their opportunity. Plus, I'm pretty sure Kreia says that Nihilus and Sion were result of the events on Malachor V, which happened 4 years before Revan defeated Uthar on Korriban.

They may have been in the outer rim but don't you think he could have looked different back then. Like Uther? Kind of like Malak was during the Mandalorian Wars. He looked different.

Jedi Guardian · Post by **Jedi Guardian** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 12:45 pm

I think it's safe to say that Uthar Wynn is not Darth Sion but it would be a shocker if they said Darth sion is Uthar

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 8:30 pm

This just came to mind when I was reading this thread. I suspect that Uthar Wynn could be dead prior to the events in KOTOR 2 because by that time, the Sith Academy was in ruins as a result of the constant infighting among the members there, if I recall what Kreia said about the Sith Academy. With that in mind, it is doubtful that Uthar Wynn is Darth Sion.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 9:00 pm

DesR85 wrote:This just came to mind when I was reading this thread. I suspect that Uthar Wynn could be dead prior to the events in KOTOR 2 because by that time, the Sith Academy was in ruins as a result of the constant infighting among the members there, if I recall what Kreia said about the Sith Academy. With that in mind, it is doubtful that Uthar Wynn is Darth Sion.

You can also kill Uthar yourself

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Fri Jun 22, 2007 11:51 pm

mr_sir wrote:You can also kill Uthar yourself

True but supposedly that you side with him and he survived, he would still be as good as dead after the events of KOTOR 1, given the mentality these Siths possess (a.k.a. power struggle). Just a speculation, though.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 4:13 am

DesR85 wrote:True but supposedly that you side with him and he survived, he would still be as good as dead after the events of KOTOR 1, given the mentality these Siths possess (a.k.a. power struggle). Just a speculation, though.

Also, in the dark side ending, you see Revan and Bastila on Korriban so even if he is still alive then I'm sure he wouldn't last long before Revan had him eliminated.

If light side then the entire Sith Academy would have been overun by Jedi and Republic soldiers once the entire Sith forces were near wiped out due to Bastila's Battle Meditation at the Star Forge and I doubt he would have surrendered so its safe to assume they would have killed him anyway.

Sith Dog · Post by **Sith Dog** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 10:27 am

But you are forgetting that Darth Sion was safely considered dead and should have been dead with all of his wounds. The Dark Side helped him to sustain his self in order to live. We still don't know if he really died in KOTOR 2.

mr_sir · Post by **mr_sir** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 12:15 pm

Sith Dog wrote:But you are forgetting that Darth Sion was safely considered dead and should have been dead with all of his wounds. The Dark Side helped him to sustain his self in order to live. We still don't know if he really died in KOTOR 2.

In KOTOR2. Kreia says Sion and Nihilus are results of the Battle of Malachor V, which happened 4 years before you come across Uthar in KOTOR.

OftheRepublic · Post by **OftheRepublic** » Sat Jun 23, 2007 2:26 pm

just doesnt work- why would uthar wynn change his name anyways?

Drunkside · Post by **Drunkside** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 2:43 am

UMMMM.. Why would anakin skywalker change his name? Or kreia? Its a sith way to give new darth names to their lords.....
(Sorry that this is out of thread)

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 4:26 am

The problem is, Uthar Wynn is already a Sith master, right (since he is the head of the Sith Academy)? Why would he want to go for a name change when he already goes by that current name when he is a Sith?

Sith Dog · Post by **Sith Dog** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:34 pm

DesR85 wrote:The problem is, Uthar Wynn is already a Sith master, right (since he is the head of the Sith Academy)? Why would he want to go for a name change when he already goes by that current name when he is a Sith?

Only Sith Lords and their immediate appretice are allowed to use the name Darth . That means the ones at the top of the list of Sith.

Caden · Post by **Caden** » Sun Jun 24, 2007 3:05 pm

Sith Dog is right. A person's sith name and their Darth name are different from each other. Uthar could've become a Darth in that sense.

chrishalomaster · Post by **chrishalomaster** » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:08 pm

ok ive read history of both sion and uthar. Uthars Hisory ends at the academy after Revan leaves dark or light.

Sion from the war escaped to the outer reaches of space right after malchor 5.
his history ends after the exile makes him give up the force and dies.