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5 questions about the story. (Endgame Spoiler)

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7 questions about the story. (Endgame Spoiler)

I made the Kotor I ending dark in my conversation with Atton at the beginning and I finished Kotor II as a dark side player. And I have some major questions about the story:

1) What happened after Revan rebuilt the Sith in Korriban? Did she/he went to find the real enemy in the outer rim? Is she/he died after Kotor I or what?

2) What is the exact relationship between Darth Traya, Darth Nihilus & Darth Sion? Did Sion & Nihilus sent him somewhere else before Kotor II?

3) What was Traya's purpose on training me ? To destroy "the force"?

4) And while I was fighting Sion, I said something like "I learned to live without the force". What did I mean by that :)

5) Bastila's Holocron in Uttar's Room says "Revan learned to convert last of the jedi who fight alongside her." What is that??

6) If I am not wrong, Kreia is another "exile". Why did the council send her?

7) What happened the bond between me and Kreia? According to that, when she died , I had to die too but it did not happen. weird.

Thank you for all the responses..
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Oh. One of the difficult ones. (T. Pratchett, Thief of Time)

On the Obsidian boards, each of your questions might trigger a four-pages-long dispute, but I'll try to make it as short and precise as possible - not so easy since I'm pretty unsure about some of the answers either.

1. Revan went to find the real enemy in the outer rim (same as if you set him/her to lightside). S/he is not dead at all.

2. Sion is a former apprentice of Traya who overthrew his Master in true Sith fashion, though he untypically let her go alive. His main goal (besides of course, ultimate power, destruction of the Jedi and the usual Sith agenda) is to be acknowledged by Traya as her favorite apprentice, but since there are Revan, and the Exile, this is pretty hopeless - and Sion came to realize it, in the end.
The origins of Nihilus are a complete mystery. We don't know anything except that
-) he helped Sion against Traya;
-) Kreia says that the greatest of the Sith Lords learned everything they knew from her, meaning that Nihilus probably also was her apprentice;
-) Visas says he was born onboard the Ravager, which should mean that it was the Malachor incident which made him what he is now, but we don't learn what he previously was (in my opinion, one of the Jedi in the Republican fleet since the Ravager was a Republic ship).

3. Kreia trained you to make you powerful enough to defeat both the Jedi Masters (including Atris) and the Sith Lords (including herself), in order to prove that someone who uses the Force at will, without bowing to the will of the light side nor the fury of the dark side, was stronger than those who depended on either side of the Force. She also wanted to make sure that Revan got a helper in his/her cause who was as strong as possible.

4. The Exile was a Jedi who for about ten years, from the Malachor incident to the meeting with Kreia on Peragus, had no connection to the Force yet still survived, thus the perfect specimen for Kreia to prove that living without the Force is possible. Sion, on the other hand, is practically undead and only able to exist by depending on the (dark side of the) Force, thereby quite inferior and useless in Kreia's eyes.

5. After Malachor V, all the Jedi who followed Revan either died or fell to the dark side, being "converted" to Sith. Revan, according to HK-47, actually used the Mandalorian Wars as a kind of re-education for his Jedi, to show them the atrocities of War and to confront them with their own aggressions, thereby bringing them closer to the dark side. From Atton we learn that even after Malachor, Revan dispatched his trained Jedi catchers to bring him captured Jedi whom he could "convince" of becoming Sith, like Malak did with Bastila.

So far the short version.
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My additions :)

2) I assumed that both Nihilus and Sion were trained by Kreia like has been said, perhaps at the same time perhaps not (don't forget that this is the pre-Darth Bane era, before the rule of two and the Sith's going into hiding). I also got the impression that while the Sith Lords had a loose agreement to destroy the Jedi and rule the galaxy, Nihilus and Sion were seperate and not working entirely in co-operation - you never see them together.

4) Kreia hates the force. Understand that. The entire reason she trains you is because, like herself, you have lost your connection, and also have potential agendas with both the Jedi Order (for casting you out/destroying your connection, as far as you knew), and the Sith Lords (for trying to kill you obviously). Kreia belives not only that neutral force users are better than those who commit to the extreme ideologies of the Sith or Jedi, but that both Jedi AND Sith have come to rely on the force, and see the world only through the force, and depend on it to survive, and only those that have been turned away or lost their connection and truly strong, because they have seen it through the eyes of a non-Force user, which is in fact entirely correct.

6) Never really got into Kreia's backstory, never especially liked her and so didn't gain much influence with her. I assume, like you, she had disagreements with the council over Exar Kun/Mandalorian Wars/Jedi Civil War which led to what I believe is more or a self-imposed exile. Whether or not this was before or after her fall to the dark side I'm not sure, but I'm sure more of that will be revealed in III.

7) Apparently the answer to this came up in a dialogue option with Jedi Master Lonna Vash, whom you will no doubt remember was in no mood to talk after her exploits on Korriban. Basically a force-bond is severed once one of the people within it falls to the dark side (or vice-versa I assume). Once Kreia became Darth Traya once more, your connection was cut.
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