http://www.ericblumrich.com/14.html
Interesting if not pushing it just a little bit.
Facism and its characteristics
Facism and its characteristics
For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun? - Khalil Gibran
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
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Vicsun
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Is this a OMG BUSH=HITLER! flash?
edit: yes it was, and I must say I disagree with at least two points. Unless I'm gravely mistaken there is currently no rampant sexism in America (or at least, not more than there was 10 or 20 years ago), and bar FOX the media is still somewhat free and independant.
I just find the comparison distasteful.
edit: yes it was, and I must say I disagree with at least two points. Unless I'm gravely mistaken there is currently no rampant sexism in America (or at least, not more than there was 10 or 20 years ago), and bar FOX the media is still somewhat free and independant.
I just find the comparison distasteful.
Vicsun, I certainly agree with your assertion that you are an unpleasant person. ~Chanak
No, this is a 'once again'-reminder that fascism is right in front of your nose, and everywhere.
In my view it proves that fascism can actually function. If we think of fascism, somehow the only image that occurs is 'Hitler'! (or 'Nazi-Germany') (or OMG)
Anyhow, I recently read the original peace for my thread of 'Controlling the masses', but I didn't really got any evidence out of it.
However, you might want to see google for Ur-fascism or Eternal Fascism (which is the same).
I'm going to relook it up too right now...
In my view it proves that fascism can actually function. If we think of fascism, somehow the only image that occurs is 'Hitler'! (or 'Nazi-Germany') (or OMG)
Anyhow, I recently read the original peace for my thread of 'Controlling the masses', but I didn't really got any evidence out of it.
However, you might want to see google for Ur-fascism or Eternal Fascism (which is the same).
I'm going to relook it up too right now...
[size=-1]An optimist is a badly informed pessimist.[/size]
Nope... I think that maybe they should make another word for modern-day democracy though. Or at least call it Neo-Democracy or something.
I'll tell you why not: most (if not all) of these 14 points are in some way violating human rights (one of them is actually the disdaining of human rights). So, I'm not absolutely against that. Ofcourse.
But we'll have to realize that nowadays -wait I'll make a metaphore-
We're standing on a political intersection, and we're standing in the middle of the road somewhere. But on the corner is Mr. Fascism, and it doesn't matter on what road you are, but you'll always see him. Now I think that right now, we're on one of the roads closest to his position. I think from our position, Mr. Communism is barely visible (he's just behind one of the buildings flanking the roads).
Mr. Monarchy is somewhere on the other side of the intersection. I think we can actually wave at him Hello, Mr. Monarchy! (<-- Constitutional Monarchy, like in Holland and Denmark)
Graphical thing playing in my mind....
Can anybody follow my thoughts here??
I'll tell you why not: most (if not all) of these 14 points are in some way violating human rights (one of them is actually the disdaining of human rights). So, I'm not absolutely against that. Ofcourse.
But we'll have to realize that nowadays -wait I'll make a metaphore-
We're standing on a political intersection, and we're standing in the middle of the road somewhere. But on the corner is Mr. Fascism, and it doesn't matter on what road you are, but you'll always see him. Now I think that right now, we're on one of the roads closest to his position. I think from our position, Mr. Communism is barely visible (he's just behind one of the buildings flanking the roads).
Mr. Monarchy is somewhere on the other side of the intersection. I think we can actually wave at him
Hello, Mr. Monarchy! (<-- Constitutional Monarchy, like in Holland and Denmark)Graphical thing playing in my mind....
Can anybody follow my thoughts here??
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http://www.sourcewatch.org/wiki.phtml?title=Fascism
This gives you the 14 points of fascism (as in the flashmovie) followed by the 14 of Ur-Fascism.
The USA is far from Ur-fascism IMO
To get back to the intersection (if you could follow that)
I think that somewhere down the road behind Mr. Fascism is Mr. Ur-Fascism. From where we are I don't think we can see him. Maybe Mr. Communism can see him, or even is on the same road (maybe on the other side of the road though)...
This gives you the 14 points of fascism (as in the flashmovie) followed by the 14 of Ur-Fascism.
The USA is far from Ur-fascism IMO
To get back to the intersection (if you could follow that)
I think that somewhere down the road behind Mr. Fascism is Mr. Ur-Fascism. From where we are I don't think we can see him. Maybe Mr. Communism can see him, or even is on the same road (maybe on the other side of the road though)...
[size=-1]An optimist is a badly informed pessimist.[/size]
I for one don't believe they are facist. On the way? Yup. But they aren't quite their yet. PATRIOT BILLS I and II are very very scary if you read them. The police doesn't need warrants or even probable cause anymore. They just need circumstantial evidence these days.
The ability of US customs at all immigration areas to detain people without reason and for up to two weeks is again one of the scary things. There are many other examples. I don't include finger-printing as that is just the mark of a totalitarian state not a facist one.
The ability of US customs at all immigration areas to detain people without reason and for up to two weeks is again one of the scary things. There are many other examples. I don't include finger-printing as that is just the mark of a totalitarian state not a facist one.
For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun? - Khalil Gibran
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
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[QUOTE=ik911]Just for the sake of my personal reassurement... does anyone follow that road crossing thing?[/QUOTE]
To be honest, I don't follow what you are getting at, but I'm also trying to focus on something at work.
To be honest, I don't follow what you are getting at, but I'm also trying to focus on something at work.
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[QUOTE=ik911]Just for the sake of my personal reassurement... does anyone follow that road crossing thing?[/QUOTE]
Not really, no.
I'm guessing you're saying fascism is close, communism is far, Ur-fascism is even further and monarchy is... well I'm not really sure where you place it.
But that's just a guess. I am actually quite unable to completely understand your metaphor.
Not really, no.
I'm guessing you're saying fascism is close, communism is far, Ur-fascism is even further and monarchy is... well I'm not really sure where you place it.
But that's just a guess. I am actually quite unable to completely understand your metaphor.
Vicsun, I certainly agree with your assertion that you are an unpleasant person. ~Chanak
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Still it is a amusing way of thinking of things .
Hmmm okay we stand at a intersection in which the US government could go one of many different ways. Lets see fascism is closest, with Monarchy a good second way in which they are going, and Communism is all the way out to left field.
I can follow you I think, its a very funny way of looking at it all.
My opinion on the topic, you know technically the US isn't a democracy at all, nor was it ever really intended to be, it was and still is a republic. One that might possibly be crossing the grounds to Mrs. Oligarchy or Cousin Imperium.
.Hmmm okay we stand at a intersection in which the US government could go one of many different ways. Lets see fascism is closest, with Monarchy a good second way in which they are going, and Communism is all the way out to left field.
I can follow you I think, its a very funny way of looking at it all.
My opinion on the topic, you know technically the US isn't a democracy at all, nor was it ever really intended to be, it was and still is a republic. One that might possibly be crossing the grounds to Mrs. Oligarchy or Cousin Imperium.
"In Germany, they first came for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist. Then they came for the homosexuals and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a homosexual. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a protestant. Then they came for me--but by that time there was no one left to speak up."
Pastor Martin Neimoller
Infinity is a fathomless gulf, into which all things vanish.
Marcus Aurelius (121-180) Roman Emperor and Philosopher
To see a world in a grain of sand
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour.
Frodo has failed, Bush has the ring.
Pastor Martin Neimoller
Infinity is a fathomless gulf, into which all things vanish.
Marcus Aurelius (121-180) Roman Emperor and Philosopher
To see a world in a grain of sand
And a heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
And eternity in an hour.
Frodo has failed, Bush has the ring.
WHile I agree that Bush's patrioism line is very similar to Hitler's nationalism line, I think that the flash movie show a very fabricated intrepidation of the american society, and the Bush administration. I don't agree with this picture they paint at all.
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[QUOTE=InfiniteNature]My opinion on the topic, you know technically the US isn't a democracy at all, nor was it ever really intended to be, it was and still is a republic. One that might possibly be crossing the grounds to Mrs. Oligarchy or Cousin Imperium.[/QUOTE]
The US federal government is more of a Republic, indeed. Elected representatives from geographical regions comprise the law-making body. It dips into a democracy more on the state and local levels, where certain issues (other than electing officials) appear on the ballot for public vote. Traditionally, republics easily slide into corruption, since the opportunities for it to take hold and flourish are manifold.
I would say fascism is closest, and Imperium is after that.
The US federal government is more of a Republic, indeed. Elected representatives from geographical regions comprise the law-making body. It dips into a democracy more on the state and local levels, where certain issues (other than electing officials) appear on the ballot for public vote. Traditionally, republics easily slide into corruption, since the opportunities for it to take hold and flourish are manifold.
I would say fascism is closest, and Imperium is after that.
CYNIC, n.:
A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.
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A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be.
-[url="http://www.alcyone.com/max/lit/devils/a.html"]The Devil's Dictionary[/url]
Democracy honestly is a farce when you only have two parties to choose from. I personally like the European (not including the french, 7 years to run a country is like being a dictator) system of coalitions and many many small parties.
For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun? - Khalil Gibran
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
[QUOTE=CM]Democracy honestly is a farce when you only have two parties to choose from. I personally like the European (not including the french, 7 years to run a country is like being a dictator) system of coalitions and many many small parties.[/QUOTE]
There ARE more parties, but voting for one of the others renders your vote almost valueless, as I see it.
But I'm not American, so I don't know how they see it. The same I guess?
There ARE more parties, but voting for one of the others renders your vote almost valueless, as I see it.
But I'm not American, so I don't know how they see it. The same I guess?
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Thats why i say its a farce. You have 20 parties in Germany but only 4 or 5 can make it all the way to form governments. Not bad but not great. Switzerland allows every party to get into the parliament. I believe denmark and other of the northern viking countries do the same.
There is always a possibility of some upset or a coalition. It is no switching between 2 parties for 200 years.
I am a big fan of proportional representation. The percentage of votes you get equals the number of seats you get. Ie if you get 25% of the votes you get 25% of the seats in parliament. If you get 100% you get 100%. It allows for a more diverse set of views and opinions.
There is always a possibility of some upset or a coalition. It is no switching between 2 parties for 200 years.
I am a big fan of proportional representation. The percentage of votes you get equals the number of seats you get. Ie if you get 25% of the votes you get 25% of the seats in parliament. If you get 100% you get 100%. It allows for a more diverse set of views and opinions.
For what is it to die but to stand naked in the wind and to melt into the sun? - Khalil Gibran
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
"We shall fight on the beaches. We shall fight on the landing grounds. We shall fight in the fields, and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills. We shall never surrender!" - Winston Churchill
[QUOTE=CM]Thats why i say its a farce. You have 20 parties in Germany but only 4 or 5 can make it all the way to form governments. Switzerland allows every party to get into the parliament. I believe denmark and other of the northern viking countries do the same.
There is always a possibility of some upset or a coalition. It is no switching between 2 parties for 200 years.[/QUOTE]
I think changing that would be like changing lanes in England and finally getting rid of inches and feet. (metrical system rulezzz, but let's not discuss that here.)
But I think, in the end, it would be good for America.
There is always a possibility of some upset or a coalition. It is no switching between 2 parties for 200 years.[/QUOTE]
I think changing that would be like changing lanes in England and finally getting rid of inches and feet. (metrical system rulezzz, but let's not discuss that here.)
But I think, in the end, it would be good for America.
[size=-1]An optimist is a badly informed pessimist.[/size]