Paladins a Pain ?

Doomlord · Post by **Doomlord** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 6:06 pm

I have a Paladin in my party, and at level 5 he is starting to get well hard. However, there are several quests that I just cant do without him becoming fallen. The drinking competition for one, even if someone else does the drinking, he still gets fallen.

More seriously when I complete the first mission for the earth temple, he also becomes fallen. After a quick flick through the walkthrough (and trying not to spoil for you peeps), not doing at least some of the temple quests doesnt seem too clever an idea.

Can I trash all the temples and still finish, or is something wierd requiring the mythical patch happening ?

xenostudd · Post by **xenostudd** » Sat Nov 08, 2003 8:05 pm

DOOMLORD

That's a good question, maybe fable the moderator can help u. Aside from that, to have a paladin in the game Unfortunately means that ur whole party is a goody toshoes. So remember that when doing quests. If ur paladin does become fallen. im sure there are ways to restore him in the game but I havent fallen yet with my paladin so I dont know.

The Bishop · Post by **The Bishop** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 12:54 am

Paladins

Paladins can redeem by giving Terjon at the temple of St Cuthbert 9000 gold.
I figured my Barbarian was enough of a bastard to not care about the Paladin's rights so he entered the drinking contest anyway.

Anyhow, the first time I won it I didn't complete any of the temple quests, which just means that you didn't complete any of the temple quests.
Instead I killed all the priests because they were evil, courtesy of Detect Evil at will.

AncientGreyelf · Post by **AncientGreyelf** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 10:30 am

Paladins

I have a paladin.9th level.Haven't used his abilities much other than as a fighter.All of my pc's have a red courage arrows over the portraits except the paladin?Maybe the 2nd game will have enough levels to make paladins powers more usefull?

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Mon Nov 10, 2003 3:41 pm

Re: Paladins

Originally posted by AncientGreyelf
I have a paladin.9th level.Haven't used his abilities much other than as a fighter.All of my pc's have a red courage arrows over the portraits except the paladin?Maybe the 2nd game will have enough levels to make paladins powers more usefull?

Those red arrows are from the Paladin's Aura of Courage ability. The Paladin has an innate immunity to fear at that point, and the icons for the effect are only on the others because that could possibly be considered the affect within the outside area. In other words, the Paladin is the generating source of that aura, and the others within range feel it as a buffing status. Sound like a good description?

AncientGreyelf · Post by **AncientGreyelf** » Thu Nov 13, 2003 8:48 pm

Paladins

I would like to think you're correct.I use paladins in most rpg partys,but prefere to have a second figther such as ranger or barbarian then cleric,thief,mage classes. Thanks

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 9:55 am

Just thought I'd briefly list the abilities that the Paladin class gains at certain levels, as per the manual.

Level 1: Aura of Good (A bit hard to explain, honestly), Detect Evil, Smite evil once per day (adds Charisma modifier to attack roll, and 1 extra point of damage per level if they strike an evil target)

Level 2: Divine Grace (Charisma modifier adds to saving throws), Lay on Hands (Charisma modifier heals a certain number of health points once per day.

Level 3: Aura of Courage (which I explained before), Divine Health (Paladin is immune to magical and natural disease)

Level 4: Turn Undead (rather self-explanitory, correct?), 1st-level spell-casting

Level 5: Smite Evil twice per day

Level 6: Remove disease once per day (though the manual says once per week)

Level 7: N/A

Level 8: 2nd Level spell-casting

Level 9: Remove Disease twice per day

Level 10: Smite Evil three times per day

AncientGreyelf · Post by **AncientGreyelf** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 12:17 pm

paladins

Paladins.Currently in ToEE the one i'm using is 10th level.The limited heal spells have helped.So have several other atributes.I have eliminated the werewolves and would like a stairway back up.I also have eliminated the ogrs.

Tobias · Post by **Tobias** » Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:11 pm

Originally posted by Doomlord
I have a Paladin in my party, and at level 5 he is starting to get well hard. However, there are several quests that I just cant do without him becoming fallen. The drinking competition for one, even if someone else does the drinking, he still gets fallen.

More seriously when I complete the first mission for the earth temple, he also becomes fallen. After a quick flick through the walkthrough (and trying not to spoil for you peeps), not doing at least some of the temple quests doesnt seem too clever an idea.

Can I trash all the temples and still finish, or is something wierd requiring the mythical patch happening ?

You can trash the whole temple and still finish. The paladin tends to fall very often in this game which begs the question why is there no anti-paladin option?

DraySkullan · Post by **DraySkullan** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 9:47 am

Okay, I finally finished Icewind Dale II, and am ready to start ToEE. My favorite character is my paladin, so I'm not going without him, and I have to say I've got enough experience to avoid becoming fallen for the most part. I know how to play a paladin. This minor spoiler got my attention though, I don't agree with how this is done, but I can deal with it.

My question: are there any other surprise downfalls for a paladin that I should know about? Spoil me as little as possible, don't tell me specific quest and circumstances, just a general heads up if you can help. Like I said, I can (and do naturally) avoid all the obvious ones, just tell me if there are any more like this one that don't make sense.

Tobias · Post by **Tobias** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 11:32 am

Helm knows all. Know this and be judged!

Basically if you play your Paladin, and entire party, anything less that Mother Tereasa in the quests you can become fallen. But for some reason you appear to be able to kill some of the innocent bystanders without becoming fallen. I suppose that the gods think everyone is guilty of something.

Let me know if the Paladin comes in useful for the fire node boss,(?) you'll know which part when you get there and why he may be useful.

DraySkullan · Post by **DraySkullan** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 12:58 pm

Interesting. I'm looking at it like a challenge. Should be fun.

Galuf the Dwarf · Post by **Galuf the Dwarf** » Tue Nov 18, 2003 1:32 pm

Originally posted by DraySkullan
Interesting. I'm looking at it like a challenge. Should be fun.

Yeah, Paladins can make for interesting gameplay. In many ways, they have boundaries that they can't overstep, and virtues that often show some character. I guess that's why I favor them above all else.