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Science Fiction World vs. Fantasy World


Both worlds have their virtues, and not a few similarities, but personally I find roleplaying in a pseudo-medieval world of magic more appealing. I didn’t exactly jump for joy when Bioware started working on a Star Wars RPG, nor was I moved by the rave reviews the Star Wars Galaxies demo elicited at E3. I’m not sure why, but I think it has to do with “depth” and even more important – “possession.” I’m looking forward to Neverwinter Nights and Pool of Radiance primarily because these games will be based on a hallowed system of rules and conventions established since the 1970s. The D&D rules permit for open gameplay in a world with limitless possibilities of adventure and exploration. Though not as popular as the Star Wars franchise, the D&D worlds are richer by far, and supported by thousands of classic modules and campaign settings. For example, although the Avatar trilogy (from which the Baldur’s Gate series finds its genesis) was a indeed a momentous chapter in the history of the Forgotten Realms, the D&D world could go on as if it never happened. Contrarily, Star Wars makes no sense if even one of its episodes were missing. But the main reason why I prefer fantasy settings as opposed to science fiction settings is, as I stated above, “possession” – the feeling of actually “owning” the world, of having been responsible for its conception; the sense that the world in which you roleplay, its colors and contours, people and places, reflects something about your mind and heart that no graphic card can ever successfully reproduce. I doubt I’ll ever be able to say the same thing about the Star Wars (or any sci-fi) universe, since it bears the hand and character of George Lucas too much for me to ever call it “home.” The graphics its developers may be proud of now may unfortunately leave no room for a player’s imagination. The genius of the D&D world is that the “laws” of its worlds were laid down before the campaigns that would later give it shape and form were written. The Star Wars universe works in reverse. The rules were established (or are still being established) after the campaign. The world was created before its laws could be laid down. As a result of this, I fear the rules of its gameworld will reflect the reality New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Jedi have already made known, thus limiting its scope and depriving its players of the same open-endedness and sense of possession which the D&D world has to offer. Does this make sense to anyone? I hope so.

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It makes sense to me ;)

My reasons for prefering fantasy to SF are simpler... I have always liked the idea of the whole swords and magic thing. I suppose it could be, like you say, because it captures my imagination more.... :)
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This might also explain why I'm not a little leery about the upcoming Lord of the Rings movie. While I'm sure it will be a blockbuster, and serve to put Middle Earth on the map and JRR Tolkien even more into the mainstream, I undrstand the movie will not be Tolkien's, but rather the director's interpretation of JRR Tolkien's world. I have my own vision of Middle-Earth, a picture in my mind of how Aragorn and Gandalf look like, move, and speak, of how Sam and Frodo relate to each other, of how Minas Tirith appears at dawn. Watching the movie will probably feel like someone airbrushing the canvass of a long cherished painting of mine.
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*ahem* I really am gonna get round to reading LotR before the movies are released... :o :rolleyes:

I don't think Star Wars is a reason for discounting the whole SF genre though. Surely there could be SF RPG worlds created according to rules, it's just that Star Wars in particular is based on George Lucas's vision. I think it's more a dichotomy between games based on films, and based on their own worlds.

For the same reason, it would be difficult making a movie of BG, because everyone sees it in their own way.

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Georgi: I was meaning to do the same thing for the past year.
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I went so far as to look at it in a bookshop last week...
It had a quote on the cover, "There are two kinds of people: those who have read LotR, and those who are going to read it" or something ;)
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I've read The Hobbit. That's a start.
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I haven't read a single LoTR book :( :( :(
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Join the club, Brink. I started reading LotR once... about 5 years ago!!
Nah, I am going to make sure I read it over the summer. I want to read it before seeing the movie, definitely.
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I won't be reading it until probably December :( ;)
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The first movie will be out here in December, I have to read it before then.
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I'll probably watch it twice(once in the cinema,once on DVD ;) ) next year :)
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I much prefer fantasy to sci-fi, probably because most of the sci-fi I've read or seen has been (to me) silly--as if the world's problems could be solved by some spaceships and freshly scrubbed planets that deal with starvation, disease, ignorance, gross social and economic inequities, etc. The worst are the pretentious ones, that try to make some Point, like the Star Trek stuff.

Fantasy can get preachy, too, but much of it is on a more personal level than sci-fi. It doesn't pretend that there's a mechanistic solution to the problems of humanity; it just tells a good story, and sometimes, it does more, without striking poses.

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bump, so i remember to post something on this on Monday. :)
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Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>I much prefer fantasy to sci-fi, probably because most of the sci-fi I've read or seen has been (to me) silly--as if the world's problems could be solved by some spaceships and freshly scrubbed planets that deal with starvation, disease, ignorance, gross social and economic inequities, etc. The worst are the pretentious ones, that try to make some Point, like the Star Trek stuff.
]</STRONG>
It think this stems from Gene Roddenberry's humanistic philosophy. He held to the belief that human were evolving into higher forms of life, and the society of the future reflects this general change in our nature. As a speacies, 24th century humans have become more peaceful, content, and self-controlled. The economic system has been abolished. No one owns anything. Poverty does not exist, nor do any diseases (Earthborne, at any rate), racism, genocide, hunger and inequality.

Now compare this future to the future portrayed in Ridley Scott's Bladerunner. Here is a world of concrete, smoke, chrome, and Coca Cola billboards that float in the sky. Society is ripe with pollution, capitalistic greed, unrestrained genetic manipulation. Scott had no illusions of the kind of species we are, nor of the direction our society is heading if allowed to progress down its present course. The picture he paints is bleak and somewhat depressing, but its also more likely to be realized than the socialist utopian garbage Roddenberry had envisioned.
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for all of you who haven't read LotR

READ IT!!!

sure it's long, difficult to read. but it is an epic and quite lyrical. every other year or so i'd go back and read it all over again. it has some sort of magic to it that draws you in. its hard to explain.

i outgrew star trek when i sat down and watched babylon 5. one of the best sci-fi tv show out there. the creator (who is now a very popular comic book writer) based babylon 5 on the lord of the rings.
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On the subject of Sci-Fi and evolution, read Player of Games by Iain M Banks (i always seem to be plugging this :D ) i wont wreck the story, but it brings to light certain things that might well be missed if we evolve too far.

Fantasy is a lot easier to get a handle on, it is usually set in a Earth esque setting - Gemmel's are mostly based on the mongol invasion of China, Eddings has a certain Europe feeling to it - so you don't have to change your perceptions to appreciate the full weight of the authors novel, SF works by taking parts of Human History and putting them in a seperate setting look at Babylon 5 the races are all based on countries, SF is usually about concept rather than actual story. (IMHO)

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It's all about what's more appealing to you.What do would you rather be a spacepilot or an adventurer in a world of battle and magic.I defenitely prefer fantasy.
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Fantasy over Sci-fi always. There is just something so impersonnal and bleak about Sci-Fi universes. It is always the oppressed "lower" species of alien is the purely heroic, and always the right. What pisses me off is that the oppresed race is almost always the Human race! WTF is up with that. I personnally would like to think we're tougher then that!
But then, we come to the fantasy genre. It isn't so much of the whole race of people making a difference, it's the one person who strives to make that small difference. It becomes a more personnal matter, and gets you further into the game. You become more of the game, and less of a faceless cause that nobody really cares about.
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MHO is that both of the literature types are interesting - I don't regard SF as more interesting than Fantasy and vice versa.

We could even take into account mixed worlds : world in future where magic is used, where we could meet elves, dwarves or other creatures known from fantasy worlds.

And the same thing from the other side - some elements of SF in Fantasy : (maybe it is not the best case, but I haven't got better in my mind) Planar sphere in BG2 - complicated device that allows to travel between the planes (or other case - Irenicus's cloning devices).

Maybe I like SF, because it could be our future - interplanar communities , new cultures (even if we don't find this "aliens" then finally we will establish colonies on other planets, etc.. that will produce their own cultural values, even languages as I suppose what could be good future reaction for present globalization processes - the world again became interesting when there will be more mysterius places to visit as it was 100 or more years ago).

Current world is less and less interesting;it is "smaller" because of devices such as an Internet. There are less secrets, mysterious places that couldn't be obtained using normal means of transport - there is only space. - this is my opinion about SF.

And Fantasy ? - it is only escape to the world of imagination from this boring world that I mentioned above. People seek these mysterious things in their impressions about the past, less known historical periods (like middleage) and in consequence in imagined worlds made on basis of the past of our civilization.

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