Israel/Palestine

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed May 23, 2001 8:42 am

Got an opinion on this particularly involuted mess? Post it here!

Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Wed May 23, 2001 8:52 am

Thanks fable, I'll marshall my thoughts/opinions and post more later.....

leedogg · Post by **leedogg** » Wed May 23, 2001 9:22 am

fable i'm watching CNN so i can draw a conclusion.

all i know about it is what weasel told me

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Vivien · Post by **Vivien** » Wed May 23, 2001 9:23 am

*Wanders in and sits quietly, wondering what people will say*

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Wed May 23, 2001 9:28 am

I'll sit quietly too. This is one of those subjects that I always think "I should know more about this," but then I only have enough time in the mornings to check the baseball scores and read the comics. But I'm convinced I'm not an idiot, despite what other people say.

Go on, elucidate me.

KramoR · Post by **KramoR** » Wed May 23, 2001 9:32 am

*KramoR, shakes his head sadly, and walks out.* "Hasn't enough people died already. I think the media is to blame. If it doesn't bleed, it's not a story. Sad world we live in."

leedogg · Post by **leedogg** » Wed May 23, 2001 9:38 am

Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
This is one of those subjects that I always think "I should know more about this," but then I only have enough time in the mornings to check the baseball scores and read the comics.

this just shows that we that we don't pay attention to the news, cause i didn't even know that anything was going on.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:00 am

My remarks are not meant as a put down on either country

Israel/Palestine

As for the US trying to tell Israel how to use the airplanes that the US sold to them, I believe it's not any of the USA's business once something is sold. If the US didn't want the planes to bomb people, they shouldn't have sold them in the first place. (I haven't seen all the reports yet)

The conflict between Israel and Palestine is a subject I will not comment on now. Both sides have their good parts and bad parts.

Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:02 am

This is far too complicated and sensitive topic to post openly for me. I'll pass.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:09 am

I generally agree with you weasel - but I would say it like this.

I always belive that you have the right to tell other people what you think - it is up the the other part to decide whether or not they will listen/accept it.

I don't think however that the US can decide for Isreal what they can or can not use the planes for, after the purchase, but they can tell them what they think.

There is the different of control and dialog.

If the US did not talk against this use, they could create the oppinion that they were okay with it. So it is very much politcal.

(IMHO)

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:13 am

@Xandax ....

Yes ,I didn't think of it as political. Good point.

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:36 am

Oh for goodness sake!

This is SYM, not CNN. If you have an opinion, express it. It will not go on record, or be used against you in a future political campaign. Keeping quiet about the Israel/Palestine conflict will not make the problems there disappear. And even if our discussion becomes heated, at least we learn something about the contrary POV that we didn't understand before.

In my opinion, the Palestinians were settled on the land before the Jews took it by force, and as such have no right to the land any more than the Japanese do.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:40 am

Originally posted by EMINEM:
Oh for goodness sake!

This is SYM, not CNN. If you have an opinion, express it. It will not go on record, or be used against you in a future political campaign.

Well - you never know?????

Hmm - as for the conflict, I haven't the knowlegde to state who has the right to the land, but IMO I don't think there will ever be peace until one of these nations is destroyed.
There is to much hatred for anything to work between them.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think so - sad, but true.

(IMO)

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:41 am

Originally posted by EMINEM:

In my opinion, the Palestinians were settled on the land before the Jews took it by force, and as such have no right to the land any more than the Japanese do.

The American Indians were in America before the European's arrived.

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:46 am

What's your point, Weasel?

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:49 am

Originally posted by EMINEM:
What's your point, Weasel?

Palestinians were settled on the land before the Jews took it by force.

American Indians were settled on the land before the Europeans took it by force.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:51 am

Ergo - Americans have no right to "America"

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:53 am

Ergo Ergo - Jews have no right to Israel

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me?

RE:
Can God create a stone so big he can't lift it?

No, but he create a bulldozer that can.

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Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:56 am

Stating futher up, that I don't know enough about this episode in history to say who has the right.

But I know that things are not black and white in such subjects.
And BTW it is to late to talk about who has the right to be there.
Both "groups" are there.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 23, 2001 10:58 am

Originally posted by EMINEM:
<snip>RE:
Can God create a stone so big he can't lift it?

No, but he create a bulldozer that can.