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Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG>Have you seen, with our own eyes, that the earth is round?</STRONG>
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Um... No. No, I haven't seen it with my own eyes, and I don't have a Fortress of Solitude, either. Right Krypto? *pats a white dog on its head*

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Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG>Have you seen, with our own eyes, that the earth is round?</STRONG>
Yes, I have. I'm from Saturn, remember? :p :D
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Originally posted by josh:
<STRONG>I've heard that the earth swaps the magnetic poles around periodically. This means that the north pole will become the south pole and vice versa. There will be a period where there will not be magnetic poles so we will lose our magnetic shield thus leaving us exposed to large amounts of cosmic radiation. I would like to know when this swapping of the poles will next occur?</STRONG>
Never heard of anything like this. :o :eek: Could be, though. :cool:
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Originally posted by EMINEM:
<STRONG>How can God permit evil to exist in the world?</STRONG>

He doesn't have a choice.
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Originally posted by josh:
<STRONG>I've heard that the earth swaps the magnetic poles around periodically. This means that the north pole will become the south pole and vice versa. There will be a period where there will not be magnetic poles so we will lose our magnetic shield thus leaving us exposed to large amounts of cosmic radiation. I would like to know when this swapping of the poles will next occur?</STRONG>
I heard something about this, but I don't recall anything about a loss of the magnetic poles. IIRC, the swapping occurs without a loss of the magnetic poles.
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It's always funny to see a shred of seriousness mxed into a jumble of spam, debarchery, and SS... :D
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@SS: Eh...there must have been some confusion going on here. My reply was directed to your statement:
originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
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I do not recall what is causing the Moon to move away from the Earth, but I am positive that it has nothing to do with the roations of the Earth and Moon.
</STRONG>

However, in your next post, your description of the centrifugal force and the gravital force in the earth-moon system is correct. The slower rotation of the earth, decreases the energy in the system. The moons increasing orbital speed will result in it's breaking free from earths gravity, so to speak. If nothing else happens before that causes us to loose our nice moon :D
originally posted by Josh:
<STRONG>I've heard that the earth swaps the magnetic poles around periodically. This means that the north pole will become the south pole and vice versa. There will be a period where there will not be magnetic poles so we will lose our magnetic shield thus leaving us exposed to large amounts of cosmic radiation. I would like to know when this swapping of the poles will next occur?
</STRONG>

Don't worry josh, the geomagnetical reversals you are referring to, are not dangerous to human life, or any life. We will not lose our magnetic shield during the shift. From a human perspective, the reverseal is very gradual. The magnetic shield weakens a little bit weaker over some thousand years, and new magnetic poles are developed. The weaking will not make us more vulnerably to radiation, since it's mainly the atmospere that protects us from radiation, not the magnetic shield. Look at the poles, the magnetic shield is not very effective there, and still the radiation is only marginally higher than elsewhere.

Geomagnetic reversal occur with 5000 to 50 million years in between, so they aren't exactly regular. The average occurance is about 500 000 years. It was 740 000 years it happened the last time and the magnetic field is currently getting weaker, so some scientists believe a we are soon due to a reversal.

If you want to know more about the subject, I recommend some reading about electromagnetic fields in general, and geomagnetism. I'm not good at explaining physics in English. (For geomagnetism, Gwally would probably be the most knowledgable since he is in the earth sciences.)

EDIT: My spelling really sucks :rolleyes:

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Originally posted by C Elegans:
<STRONG>However, in your next post, your description of the centrifugal force and the gravital force in the earth-moon system is correct. The slower rotation of the earth, decreases the energy in the system. The moons increasing orbital speed will result in it's breaking free from earths gravity, so to speak. If nothing else happens before that causes us to loose our nice moon :D </STRONG>
Right, but this
originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>I do not recall what is causing the Moon to move away from the Earth, but I am positive that it has nothing to do with the roations of the Earth and Moon.
</STRONG>
was in response to your statement that the rotational changes of the Earth resulted in a reduction in the gravitational field. Obviously, in stating things in slightly different ways, we managed to confuse each other as to what the other person was saying.
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Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>was in response to your statement that the rotational changes of the Earth resulted in a reduction in the gravitational field. Obviously, in stating things in slightly different ways, we managed to confuse each other as to what the other person was saying.</STRONG>
:D Oh, I see - I thought you meant that the rotation speed had no effect on the moons' going away from earth. I never meant the rotational change was the cause of decrease in gravity, gravity is depening on mass. What I tried to say was that earth rotates slower, transfers energy to the moon, and the increase of orbital speed of the moon will cause it to escape earth's gravity field because of the centrifugal force.

However, it's obvious that you and I mean the same thing. Let's hope we didn't manage to confuse everybody else as much as each other :)
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C Elegans: Geomagnetical reversals, so is that what it is called. Its been a couple of years since I saw a documentary about this so I could remember half of the things said. Sorry if I got some facts wrong. :)
This could affect some animals that may rely on the magnetic poles for navigation.
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I'm a ignorant in the deep cientific knowledge. But I have something that make me feel a little atrraction to science, curiosity.

Sometimes some kind science thoughts occur in my mind. No solutions only questions( even if I was a PHD in phisics, i think the same will ocur). But them I remember something else or other thing( like : I need a cigarrete) then the thoughts are gone.

Some of my stupids indagations , conclusion and doubts:
1) About the Universe: Sometimes I think how long in the time-space lines the universe exist. The thing was so confused that send me and my friend(Raphael) to a Theory: The Big Bang is a continuos event. In a certain amounth of time the Big Bang happens and the universe expand, than it condense into a smaller thing and Big bang again.
[Ps: I'm doing Law and Arts, and Raphael is doing Arts; so, don't expect too much.].

2)About the humans: a) For me the humans are some kind of overnatural aberrations. Millions(probably more) of animals species, some even more evolucted than the Homo Sapiens (Cetacius: Dolphins,...), and only the humans are inteligent. Why? Why the natural selection absolved us? Why we are the only animal out of the Natural selection? Aberration. Something is wrong.

b) The fact that we are out of the natural selection mean that biologically we are walking in wrong way. Our specie is in an involution process. People that should die by the Natural selection (like blinds, ...) still alive and procriating, so bad genetic data keep in the humans, making then involute. Is this correct?

3) About Live. a)I don't have a religion yet. But the cientific explanation about the live creation: atoms of carbon, oxigen, nitro,... come together, and a lightning bolt create the live, then the feeling... . It sounds for me, more redicolous than the religious explanations. Don't know. One of my teachers says to me that I feel love because of a glandule near my Brain. Common!!

b) The atoms that do not have radiation are estables. So the carbon are estable. Trillions of years pass and one carbon still one carbon atom. If it is right. Them my body can be formed by atoms that once belongs to charcoal, than to T-rex, than to Leonardo da Vinci, than to one of you gamebanshee posters, than at least to me. Is it right?


4) Sense: The materia don't have colors. I see because I see colors. The colors are in fact frequence of light wave. As the sound. Both sound and color only exist in the perception. Our perception, but in true don't exist. So I perceive the the world as an perception- ilusionary fashion that is in fact totally diferent from the real materia world. Is it right?

5) Van Eyck. How can Van Eyck paint like that?
[Sorry about my English]

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Originally posted by Bloodstalker:
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But now for a hard one....which came first the chicken or the egg???? huh??huh??? ;) </STRONG>
its funny that this question was reasently asked in Metro (a free london newspaper). Some one wrote in and gave what i think is the right answer. He said that the egg came first since a bird that was almost a chiken laid a chiken egg.
The reason is of course the normal evoulution of the speices.
Originally posted by EMINEM:
<STRONG>How can God permit evil to exist in the world?</STRONG>
Must .. not answer ... arrrrr :eek:

He has no choice since he doesn't exist.

Sorry guys - i tried not to but i was too weak :( ;) .

hope this doesnt start another religious debate. :rolleyes:

one thing i have never understood is what is supposed to be beyond the expanding border of the universe!? the universe is not curved into a ball so you will not arive at your starting point if you go straight in a line for long enough. I think. does anyone know? but if not - what about earlier in the history when the univers was much smaller was the univers folded in to a sphere?

A few questions for the physic buffs. :)
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About the chiken-egg thing: The egg wins because of the reptiles.
[Sorry about my English]

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Originally posted by Ivan Cavallazzi:
<STRONG>
b) The fact that we are out of the natural selection mean that biologically we are walking in wrong way. Our specie is in an involution process. People that should die by the Natural selection (like blinds, ...) still alive and procriating, so bad genetic data keep in the humans, making then involute. Is this correct?

</STRONG>
First of all. What would you do? tell blind people that they are not allowed to have children. :mad: :(
Most blind peoples children do not become blind. for more serious decieses like huntingtons we leave the choise open to parents to have a scan and aportion.

Second. no the human speices is not revercing its evolution. we are no longer evolving and have not been for at least 10.000 years.
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Originally posted by Tom:
one thing i have never understood is what is supposed to be beyond the expanding border of the universe!? the universe is not curved into a ball so you will not arive at your starting point if you go straight in a line for long enough. I think. does anyone know? but if not - what about earlier in the history when the univers was much smaller was the univers folded in to a sphere?
A similar question to this is what happens to light when it reaches the edge of the universe? I can neither answer this or your question.
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Originally posted by Tom:
<STRONG>First of all. What would you do? tell blind people that they are not allowed to have children. :mad: :(
Most blind peoples children do not become blind. for more serious decieses like huntingtons we leave the choise open to parents to have a scan and aportion.

Second. no the human speices is not revercing its evolution. we are no longer evolving and have not been for at least 10.000 years.</STRONG>
First, I like a lot your signature. Pink Floyd is my favorite band.

About what to tell to the blind people: I'm not enter in ethical or moral results. And of course we must save all lives and let them procriate as normal. It was a cientific observation . And the blind was only an example. I was talking about all kind of sikness. As a sick human can survive with the medicine, and then procriate, the wrong genetics data still in the humanity.
It make some sense. When the european people(good medicine) start to colonizate the South America people (indians in neolitical stage of evolution) they perceive that the Europeans were much more sick than the indians; and lots of indians dies because of the european sick.

What do an specie evolute is the natural selection, and with we are out of the selection then we are stagnate. If we remain with ours sickness then we are genetically involuting. Ours body are becoming weak and sick, without medicine of course.
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Originally posted by Ivan Cavallazzi:
<STRONG>First, I like a lot your signature. Pink Floyd is my favorite band.

About what to tell to the blind people: I'm not enter in ethical or moral results. And of course we must save all lives and let them procriate as normal. It was a cientific observation . And the blind was only an example. I was talking about all kind of sikness. As a sick human can survive with the medicine, and then procriate, the wrong genetics data still in the humanity.
It make some sense. When the european people(good medicine) start to colonizate the South America people (indians in neolitical stage of evolution) they perceive that the Europeans were much more sick than the indians; and lots of indians dies because of the european sick.

What do an specie evolute is the natural selection, and with we are out of the selection then we are stagnate. If we remain with ours sickness then we are genetically involuting. Ours body are becoming weak and sick, without medicine of course.</STRONG>

The Indians were not evolutionary backwards, that is a misunderstanding. Their immune
systems were not familiar with the strains of backteria that the europeans brought over.
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Originally posted by Tom:
<STRONG>Must .. not answer ... arrrrr :eek:

He has no choice since he doesn't exist.

Sorry guys - i tried not to but i was too weak :( ;) .</STRONG>
Hn. When a question like this is posed and you don't believe God exists, one should either refrain from giving an answer or give a "hypothetical" answer. Your answer is offensive.
Originally posted by Tom:
<STRONG>one thing i have never understood is what is supposed to be beyond the expanding border of the universe!? the universe is not curved into a ball so you will not arive at your starting point if you go straight in a line for long enough. I think. does anyone know? but if not - what about earlier in the history when the univers was much smaller was the univers folded in to a sphere?</STRONG>
I answered this previously. It is not know for sure the shape of the universe, but there are two basic possibilities.

1.)The Universe is infinite and there is no border.

2.)The Universe is finite with no boundries.

I support the latter theory.

Also, when the universe was smaller only means that all particles in the universe were closer to the starting point of the big bang, not that the outer border of the universe was smaller.
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Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>Hn. When a question like this is posed and you don't believe God exists, one should either refrain from giving an answer or give a "hypothetical" answer. Your answer is offensive.</STRONG>
Eminems question:
How can god permit evil to exist in the world?
presupposes that god does exist.

Tom's reply:
He has no choice since he doesn't exist
presupposes god does not exist.

I see no reason whatsoever why MM should be allowed to express his opinion, that god exists, but Tom should not be allowed to express his equally firm opinion that god does not exist.

My suggestion: either we leave religion entirely out of this or we allow everyone equal right to say their meaning. I'm personally for the latter.
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Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
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Also, when the universe was smaller only means that all particles in the universe were closer to the starting point of the big bang, not that the outer border of the universe was smaller.</STRONG>
When the univers was smaller the effect of gravity on the shape of the universe would have been much greater or so it seems to me.


I am sorry if you were offended :( but i think what i said was just a bit of fun. After all i just expressed my opinion although in a slightly silly way.
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