Support for the US not what it should be

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:01 am

I watch CNN everyday and check the various newspapers and CNN does not cover many of the important news, atleast which i deem important.
Also someone wanted me to post articles here about anything related to the issue.

I have come across various article where countries are not providing military support to the US in the way it wants, and the US media isn't covering the news.
So if it is ok with everybody i will just post a couple of articles here in relation to that.

Saudi Arabia is resisting the United States' request to use a new command
center on a Saudi military base in any air war against terrorists
[url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6731-2001Sep21.html"]http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6731-2001Sep21.html[/url]

Ok i don't know if they archive files so if you guys can't see the article tomorrow just tell me and i will paste the whole article.

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Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:14 am

Some more - reported in Sunday press UK:

FOR

France - President Chirac has pledged his full support to the US.
Germany - but have given only cautious backing to Allies
Pakistan - formally backed the Taliban but have changed sides
Tajikistan - has promised to discuss allowing US to use bases
Turkey - supporting, but no clear role for them has yet emerged
Uzbekistan - another muslim country that has offered to help the allies
Iran - leaders have condemned terrorist attacks but are suggesting caution
Russia - have pledged support but demand proof of any guilt
Japan - have pledged medical and transport help for Americans

AGAINST

Iraq - claims that American aggression has led to the terrorist attacks

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CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:16 am

1. Germany refuses to join in NATO military action
[url="http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=6&date1=2001-09-16"]http://www.paknews.com/main.php?id=6&date1=2001-09-16[/url]

2. Italian defence minister rules out Italian troop role
[url="http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/article.html?s=asia/headlines/010917/world/afp/Italian_defence_minister_rules_out_Italian_troop_role.html"]http://asia.dailynews.yahoo.com/headlines/world/article.html?s=asia/headlines/010917/world/afp/Italian_defence_minister_rules_out_Italian_troop_role.html[/url]

3. Gulf nations balking at U.S. campaign
[url="http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_1.html"]http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_1.html[/url]

4. Tajikistan and Uzbekistan will not assist the US.

The link for this does not work.
When it does i will post it here.

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:25 am

My bad Uzbekistan has provide support and this is from the dawn = the best pakistani english news paper.
If it is baised don't be surprised.

US warplanes land in Uzbekistan
[url="http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/23/top2.htm"]http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/23/top2.htm[/url]

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:26 am

The Italian Defence Minister has not denied all support in that report.

He states that the Italian armed forces will not be called upon, but following an inevitable US attack on the perpetrators the Italians will see what they are called upon to do...if they are adamant about not offering military support, they do not deny offering other support...ie medical?

The same applies with the Germans - they are offering administration support.

It does not mean that the Italians, Germans and Norwegians are not backing the US, only declining military support...

Various Arab nations have offered/supplied the US with intelligence information....

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CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:31 am

SAS - ie British Marines fired upon in Kabul
[url="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1559000/1559084.stm"]http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1559000/1559084.stm[/url]

Taliban shoot down CIA spy plane.
[url="http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/23/top3.htm"]http://www.dawn.com/2001/09/23/top3.htm[/url]

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:32 am

At least half of those countires, and even your countires were mentioned the other day in his address. Canada is the States closest and best freing in this world, and we didn't even get one bloody mention!

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:35 am

Ysh i have no said that they aren't support the US.
Read the title, Support for the US not what it should be .

The US would have a much easier time with a vast military coliation to justify its attack on Afghanistan.
If most of the european nations were to provide the US with military aid, to many of the fundementalists it won't be a US vs them war.

So far the British and Americans are the only ones sending in military troops which does not help the US image within the muslim nations.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:36 am

@Aegis - give Fas time, he is researching links...if you can find one bring it in

By not posting a link re Canada yet, is not denying Canada's position

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:38 am

Ok my bad just re-read the original post, that should read military support instead of just support.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:41 am

@Fas - Ok - re the title of the post - if your personal opinion is the only real support is military support then OK, it looks like the US and UK at the moment.

However, other types of support are necessary. Medical, administrative, financial, intelligence. Any nation offering that kind of backing will be viewed by the perpetrators to be in support of US action

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:41 am

This thread is just about support would you guys want any other info that i can dig from the media sites?
I am done for the day with links nothing much more to report other than the US has gotten rid of sanctions on India and Pakistan, but CNN is covering that in detail.

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:44 am

Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG>@Fas - Ok - re the title of the post - if your personal opinion is the only real support is military support then OK, it looks like the US and UK at the moment.

However, other types of support are necessary. Medical, administrative, financial, intelligence. Any nation offering that kind of backing will be viewed by the perpetrators to be in support of US action </STRONG>

Being from the region, military and FP support is what is seen as dangerous.
The psycho elements of these societies really don't care about the administration or who helps.
But if any country helps the killing of muslims, they are seen as aggressors and tyrants.
They don't care if the US and British military is provided with beds or band aids.

They tend to see only the military aspect of the issue.
And i was taking the thread from that point of view.

CM · Post by CM » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:48 am

[url="http://europe.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/23/gen.straw.iran/index.html"]http://europe.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/09/23/gen.straw.iran/index.html[/url]

My point secured to an extent.
The US has not had relations with Iran for a long time.
However they want their support because the more the Islamic nations support the attack the justification is then more plausible.
However the US seems to be ignoring the calls of many muslim nations for the simple issue of proof.

Egypt's leader Mubarak asked for that on a CNN interview as did the crown prince in the US press conference.
Hariri - Lebanon Premier asked for that as well as the King of Jordan.
Just me babbling on what i have seen so far on BBC and CNN.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 4:48 am

Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG>@Aegis - give Fas time, he is researching links...if you can find one bring it in By not posting a link re Canada yet, is not denying Canada's position </STRONG>

I'm actually refering to Bush's address the other day. Canada didn't get mentioned once.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:45 am

Why is this news to anyone??

The US has had to fight largely unsupported in most major international incidents since WW2. Even UN operations like Korea saw the US providng 90-95% of the military effort.

Its the same old rubbish. Pledges of support and sympathy and no action. Well, the US will rid the world of Terror alone if need be.

@Aegis: no offence but the Canadian military is comparatively weak. Rest assured though, they will provide ships, planes and manpower. My prayers go with young Canadians who will fight and die next to their brothers and sisters in the US & UK.

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:09 am

@Grunt: No offense taken. I know the Canadian military isn't the best, but that's not what peeved me. It's the fact we, as the Americans closest friends, and neighbours, didn't even get a mention for the support we have given. The address wasn't just about military aid, but about finacial as well, and still, we were left out. It really makes me wonder about the American governments veiws of Canada...

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:38 am

@Aegis - I am sorry I misunderstood your original rant - I thought it was directed here...

I do not know about the original address you refer to. Fas' discussion of support I now know relates purely to military support.

I posted my ideas about support, being that they can be more than military, but as Fas has said - this type of support may not be considered as any support in the eyes of people who are fanatically looking for bloodshed.

What I believe as a 'westerner' regarding support is not considered as support by certain nations.

No country should be brought down by 'westerners' because of the type of support they offer - how it is perceived by the perpetrators is irreleveant - how we perceive it as support is vital...

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 11:31 am

@Ysh: did you not hear of the PResidents address of so-called "war" the other day? It is that I'm refering to.

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 5:39 pm

Uh, never mind.

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