LoTR the movie in December!

nael · Post by **nael** » Thu Sep 20, 2001 9:43 pm

i just REALLY hate Elijah wood or whatever that ugly kid's name is.
he just really bugs me. fortunately for him, i love Tolkien enough to probably still see the movie.
but i think everyone agrees with Aegis...there is just way too much fan expectations for it to ever live up to what we all want.

Saruman · Post by **Saruman** » Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:07 pm

Originally posted by humanflyz:
Come to think of it, another big engima would be the Ents. I think they are some sort of lesser wood spirit created by Yvanna, the Giver of Fruits to watch over the living things of Middle Earth while the Valar lived in Valinor.

Ents do appear in the Silmarillion albiet in a secondary role. They were gifted life at the suference of Manwe who wanted to please Yavanna. Yavanna was disappointed that all the flora of Arda was basically there to please the children of Illuvatar, so the ents were made as sheppards of the trees. The other reference to ents is when they helped the re-incarnated Beren to avenge Thingols (Beren's father in law) death at the hands of dwarves. The Dwarven smiths who murdered Thingol to obtain the simarill were ambushed by Beren and a host of ents as they attempted to cross Ossiriand.

Maharlika · Post by **Maharlika** » Thu Sep 20, 2001 11:08 pm

Originally posted by nael:
i just REALLY hate Elijah wood or whatever that ugly kid's name is.
he just really bugs me. fortunately for him, i love Tolkien enough to probably still see the movie.

Got anyone in mind instead?

Which would bring us to my next question (dunno if it was posted already here at SYM), given the present cast in the movie, who would be a better replacement for anyone of them?

Sean Connery for Gandalf (I just can imagine him confront the balrog uttering "You CANNOT pass!") or even the guy who played Obi-Wan Kenobi, the late Alec Guiness, if he were still alive.

Danny de Vito for Bilbo?

Nicholas Cage for Aragorn? or even Alan Rickman?

The problem with Frodo's character is that, though being a hobbit and looking child-like, he strikes me with a great sense of "maturity" not commonly found among the care-free, happy-go-lucky hobbits his age.

You'd rarely get that kind of aura among the young generation of actors...

Of course talent fee was not put into consideration into my opinions...

Worldfrog · Post by **Worldfrog** » Fri Sep 21, 2001 8:46 am

@humanflyz: I think that in Unfinished Tales, or in one of the series of the Middle Earth histories edited by Christopher Tolkien, it notes that Bombadil was likely the same race that Gandalf was - a Maiar. (Although it seems that Gandalf and the remainder of the council were some subset of the Maiar.) I'll have to go back and verify that, but I believe that's correct.

If it could be done correctly, I think the story of the Silmarils would be quite fascinating to see on screen.

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Fri Sep 21, 2001 2:22 pm

@Saruman:
Are they specifically refered to as Ents? Or did they have another name(s) in the Silmarillion? I would like to look that that point you mentioned.

Maharlika · Post by **Maharlika** » Sat Sep 22, 2001 9:36 pm

Originally posted by humanflyz:
@Saruman:
Are they specifically refered to as Ents? Or did they have another name(s) in the Silmarillion? I would like to look that that point you mentioned.

The name "Ent" was given them by the Rohirrim, and means "giant" in Old English. They were called Onodrim or Enyd in Sindarin by Elves; the singular was Onod.

Also called the Shepherd of the Trees and the Shadow of the Wood.

Check out The Silmarillion, Houghton Mifflin edition 45-46, 235 and The Silmarillion, Ballantine edition 44, 290.

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Sun Sep 23, 2001 10:26 am

Thanks