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Chainmail at a bakery? What's so odd about that? Ever heard of "Samurai Bakery?" :D

@Magrus: I think I posted something related to this elsewhere in SYM. Hand forged, *true* swords are now mainly made in Pakistan and India, using the old methods. It usually takes a crew of men to work on a sword. The metal they use might sound ridiculous - melted down steel from shock-absorber springs and car fenders - however, this metal is actually better than what was available back in the days when swords were common. It has a higher carbon content, allowing it to keep an edge longer. And they are definitely cheap - I had a functional replica of an Irish hand and a half sword (a bastard sword) that cost me around $250. It was hand-forged in Pakistan: everything was hand-made, from the blade, to the quillons, to the leather-wrapped pommel. The blade was flexible and resilient, and needed to be oiled regularly to prevent it from rusting.

To obtain a real, functional specimen of the finest sword ever made - a katana - you would need connections. There are a few left in Japan who still make katanas according to tradition, but such a sword would cost you around $10,000 or so to obtain. The secret of the katana is how the metal is folded over and over, and the chisel point of the blade tip. It is a superior weapon overall, and if I had the money, I would want to own a true katana. :cool:
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[QUOTE=Chanak]Chainmail at a bakery? What's so odd about that? Ever heard of "Samurai Bakery?" :D

@Magrus: I think I posted something related to this elsewhere in SYM. Hand forged, *true* swords are now mainly made in Pakistan and India, using the old methods. It usually takes a crew of men to work on a sword. The metal they use might sound ridiculous - melted down steel from shock-absorber springs and car fenders - however, this metal is actually better than what was available back in the days when swords were common. It has a higher carbon content, allowing it to keep an edge longer. And they are definitely cheap - I had a functional replica of an Irish hand and a half sword (a bastard sword) that cost me around $250. It was hand-forged in Pakistan: everything was hand-made, from the blade, to the quillons, to the leather-wrapped pommel. The blade was flexible and resilient, and needed to be oiled regularly to prevent it from rusting.

To obtain a real, functional specimen of the finest sword ever made - a katana - you would need connections. There are a few left in Japan who still make katanas according to tradition, but such a sword would cost you around $10,000 or so to obtain. The secret of the katana is how the metal is folded over and over, and the chisel point of the blade tip. It is a superior weapon overall, and if I had the money, I would want to own a true katana. :cool: [/QUOTE]

I fell in love with the one real katana I saw. I took karate for a while about 10 years ago, it just didn't work with me at the time. I was too young I think. Well, when my father noticed me interested in it, he invited over an old high school friend's brother from out of town. The guy had gone to art school right after he graduated and got picked up by a japanese corporation right before graduating. They signed him a multi-million dollar deal to move to Japan and work for them for 10-15 years, I can't recall how long. He came back filthy rich, moved to Buffalo NY to get wasted and paint for the rest of his life living off the interest. ;)

Anyways, he had invested in having one made and it was just gorgeous. He hand painted the scabbard for it too for when it's hanging up on the wall. I think you'd of liked it, it had wolves all over the thing. I have no idea what it cost him to be honest, he got it in the mid-80's and I haven't seen him since the early 90's. He took a karate when he was younger, and went through Judo and one other martial art over there in Japan before he came back. He learned to use a katana in one of the martial arts he took and loved it so he had one made, a real one that he could bring home with him. I highly doubt he'd be any good at any of what he learned there at this point though after 15 years or so of beer and pizza. :D
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Nah katanas annoy me just hand me a rapier n e day
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Obviously to be a cat is the ultimate achievement
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[QUOTE=Magrus]Sounds like you have my ideal pet there Chanak. :) [/QUOTE]

Back on the animal topic. I think I would be remiss if I did not attempt to discourage you from keeping a wolfdog. Not because I don't think you would be able to take care of one...but as someone who kept one until his third birthday, I feel I should share my experience and ask you to put yourself through the test before you would seek one out.

Wolfdogs are not your ordinary dog. They are more intelligent overall, and share an independent spirit with their wolf parent, not unlike felines. In fact, they are independent just like a cat. While their canine bellies can rule their head at times, they are not prone to overeating like domestic breeds do. When they come across more food than they want to eat, they bury it, just like wolves do. You might see normal dogs do this - it's their ancestor's instincts at play. Wolfdogs will dig holes...and I mean, they can dig holes. :eek: They have big, wide paws and they act like shovels. Zabiel could exacavate a hole big enough for him to lay down in in less than a minute. What this means to a lawn in suburbia or the city...well, it will be ruined, I guarantee it. Try as you might, you cannot break a wolfdog from digging holes. You might be able to pull it off, but you would have to be cruel. No way. :mad: I'm sure you agree.

Also, keeping them in a fenced backyard is a joke. The fence had better be at least 8 feet high, because they can jump a 6 foot fence easily. They can also climb alarmingly well. They are better at these things than a German Shepherd, who are famous schutzhund champs. Also, they can dig their way under a fence easily. And let me say that unless you latch a fence gate with a padlock, a wolfdog will figure out how to unlatch it eventually (my friend's female wolfdog was famous for that) . They are inquisitive by nature and when they are restrained or penned in, they devote all of their energies to finding a way out. Most domestic dogs will resign themselves after a time, but not a wolfdog. They will keep trying. Consider this fair warning.

Consider this story. An older friend of mine told me of a time when he was young up north many years ago. Some ranchers had trapped a pair of wolves - a male and a female. They were placed in a pen with an 8 foot-high fence. They were going to slaughter them for their pelts. The first night in the pen, the female wolf escaped by jumping the fence. The male, however, was much larger and couldn't pull it off. My friend said he went out to see the wolves and saw the female sitting outside of the pen, waiting for the male inside. He didn't tell anyone about it, and came back to watch them over the next two days. The female wolf paced outside of the pen for all of that time, waiting on the male. Eventually, however, she left. The male was slaughtered later that week. :(

Wolfdogs can't stand inactivity. If left inside of a house with no way out, they will end up wreaking havoc and destruction inside. They will tear furniture to shreds, and I do mean shreds, wood and all. If it's a male, he will lift his leg on everything. The only time I ever allowed Zabiel inside was during tornado season, when I would sit with him while the tornadoes blew by the area. He was calm during those times, his usual burning curiousity absent. He sensed the storms and while thunderstorms didn't bother him, tornadoes frightened him. That, and firecrackers. He hated them. Out in the country, it was rare for firecrackers to be set off. Around towns and the city, it's a different story. He would bark his head off whenever firecrackers were set off, and his bark was the kind of bark that boomed and made your insides quiver.

Wolfdogs do not make good pets. They are not consumed with pleasing you. While they are not aggressive nor unruly dogs, they will nevertheless ignore you when they can. They like to do their own thing. You must therefore establish and re-establish dominance over them, to let them know that when you speak in a certain tone of voice, they had better listen. You must allow them a good deal of freedom, and only use commands when they are needed - such as, when they jump right in the middle of a flowerbed and start digging. :D Or, when you both are walking and he finds a child's doll laying on the ground. All I had to do was say, "Zabiel, drop it", and he would let go of whatever it was he had found - even food. He had snatched someone's hamburger off of a plate one time, and was trotting away with it when I told him to drop it. Drop it he did, but the owner of the burger didn't want it back, understandably. Zabiel was sitting there looking at me sheepishly, aware that he was in trouble. So, I pointed at the burger and said, "Zabiel, eat." He gobbled it in one bite. However, I never allowed him around people and food again. It was too tempting for him. I had to keep him restrained during get-togethers when food was around, and he hated it. I hated it too. Be warned.

Wolfdogs also make terrible guard-dogs. They are not aggressive by nature at all and unless their protective urges are engaged, they will not attack anyone. They are protective of those they consider pack-mates, but otherwise, they look to you as being the one in charge, which you should be. They can function as good watch dogs, though. Zabiel had a German Shepherd's genes when it came to barking at strangers who approached. His hearing was awesome. Other than that, all bark and no bite.

Wolfdogs are not well-suited to life in the surburbs or the city. There's too much around that interests them, and they will stay in constant trouble. It's why I gave Zabiel a new home when I left the countryside. It might be possible to keep one that does okay in an urban setting...but all of the ones I knew were miserable in the suburbs. Too confining. A wolfdog's territory is like a wolf's territory...very broad and wide. They despise limits.

Keeping a wolfdog is a committment. They are long-lived and usually last beyond 20 years of age. Captive pure wolves can live close to 30 years. Unless you live in the country, Magrus, I would not keep a wolfdog. That's my parting advice to you.
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Chanak wrote:My wolfdog was a very social, friendly guy. He even had a sheep as a best friend...that is, until one day, the sheep grew up and suddenly became afraid of him. :D Seriously, he and this sheep would run around together. It was rather amusing. I felt sorry for him when one day, the sheep ran away from him. I don't think he understood.
LMAO :D Poor guy, he must have wondered why his friend suddenly ran away from him :(
Wolves are doing well in North America lately...I only hope the trend continues. They are the only natural predator of moose.
Good to hear they are doing well somewhere, at least. Wolves are the only natural predator of the moose here as well, and one of the main predators of deer, roedeer and reindeer (whos other predators, wolverine, fox and lynx has also been hunted to near extinction). Instead, Swedish hunters have to kill off hundrereds of thousands of moose and deer each year, otherwise they eat all the forests. How practical :rolleyes: It's not that people eat all this moose and roedeer meat.
It's absurd how some ranchers and others will claim that wolves (and other predators) will pursue the best members of a herd - nothing could be further from the truth.
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Scientists have observed how predators prey upon the very young, the weak, the sickly, and the oldest specimens in a herd since they present the best target with the greatest chance for a kill. While canines tend to be very successful predators as they hunt in organized groups, they often resort to scavenging carcasses or preying upon smaller game most of the time. Some researchers in Canada studied a pack of wolves in the wild, checking their droppings and monitoring their diets very closely. Over 75% of their diet consisted of small game such as rodents and birds. A wolf has very large, wide paws. Their ears and noses are exceptionally keen, and while they are roaming their range, they have been observed pouncing upon something in the undergrowth, and pulling out a furry rodent with their paws. A far cry from the vicious wolf pack image of myth. :rolleyes:
The Swedish farmers and laps who intensely hate the wolf with what is similar to religious fanatism, would claim that such research was done by biased, leftist city dwellers who don't understand nature and the farmer's way of living. The illegally killed wolves that have been found here speak their own language: they are often both shot and mutilated in different ways, sometimes first shot, them beaten to death with blunt instruments. Some specimen have been found with ears and feel cut off, eyes removed. Says something about the level of hate, and hate is usually blind to knowledge :(

The moose and the roedeer was hunted to the brink of extinction during the 19th century, but after they were protected, both species did very well since people actually stopped hunting them. It would be interesting to know what has been done in the US to change people's negative feelings about wolves, since it seems you have succeded far better than Scandinavia in this issue.
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@CE: The majority of hunters in the US understand the role they fulfill: they are taking the place of predators who have been pushed to extinction by mankind. Interestingly enough, Hunter's Education courses offered to all ages (and mandated by Federal Law before a license is issued to hunt certain animals, such as white-tailed deer) stress the importance of maintaining population equilibrium amongst prey animals. Each state's Fish and Wildlife Department (or equivalent) regulates the hunting of certain animals within their own borders by monitoring populations. Some animals, such as most species of ducks, are federally protected and require federal permission to hunt (typically referred to as a "duck stamp"). This is due largely to the fact that they inhabit crucial wetlands that the federal government reserves and supposedly protects from development and molestation. Environmental groups have won key victories in the protection of these areas, much to the chagrin of corporate interests. I for one am glad they have.

In any case, each state wildlife agency, with the help of scientists on staff, compares the birth rate of game animal populations and projects the acceptable number of casualties to the population for the coming year. This number represents the "bag limit" for each hunter. In years when the birth rate is very high, hunters may expect high limits. Needless to say, all of this requires a great deal of fieldwork. Game Wardens employed by both the states and federal government enforce the wildilfe laws, and they are given plenty of power and leeway - in fact, Game Wardens are actually the most powerful police officers in the US. They may search and seize without a warrant, and may use the evidence gained in a court of law.

I was surprised by Tennessee's Hunter Education program. Even though I don't hunt, I attended the course more out of curiousity. The instructors were all field personnel employed by the state Fish and Wildlife Service. Amongst other things, they introduced the concept - in class - that the lack of predators present in the countryside necessitated the need for control of prey animal populations lest they explode out of control, the result of which would be mass starvation for the animals. They spoke briefly about efforts to re-introduce predators who once called Tennessee home: predators such as the bobcat, and the gray wolf. They are involved in these efforts themselves.

I communicated with several key people via e-mail that were involved in the wolf protection societies (there are several). While most were disgusted by the ignorance of the average person concerning the gray wolf (most scientists consider the red, or Mexican wolf, the same species as the gray wolf...in fact, the gray wolf is considered to be the "basic" wolf type, and all other regional varieties are offshoots adapted to climate), all were encouraged by federal and state efforts to protect them and re-introduce them in key areas, such as Yellowstone National Park. In Yellowstone, they resume their natural role as the only predator of the elk herds which thrive there.

Over the years, as wolves were driven farther north towards Canada and hunted mercilessly by humans, coyotes filled the vacuum left by their disappearance. In the natural order of things, wolves and coyotes do not co-exist in the same region, as wolves will drive them out of their territory. Coyotes spread from their ancestral domains as wolves retreated. Just the same, a wolf pack will eliminate any groups of wild domesticated dogs that they encounter. Coyotes, on the other hand, will kill male domestic dogs and breed with female domestics. It is interesting to note that wolves will only breed with domestic dogs when they are in captivity.
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@ Chanak, thats wonderful to know. I've always wanted a house out in the middle of nowhere. Just claim a square mile or more of property in the woods and build a house with a family and have a dog like that. The chances of that happening are terribly slim though unfortunately. I don't have a problem with pets that are independant. Thats one of the reasons I prefer cats. I don't like a dog always underfoot and all over me. It irritates me to no end with the dogs I have here. They don't have enough sense to avoid being stepped on they're so hopelessly needful of attention. :rolleyes:

As for they're destructive habits, that would drive me crazy if one ruined my stuff but I've always been the type to want to take my cat with me when I had to go away. I never got the chance to, my mother never wanted to adjust her plans to accomodate for that. I can see why, most places to stay at on a trip refuse pets and they're a hassle to bring with you and such. I hated leaving her alone, she was miserable and let us know upon returning. Any plants in the house would be destroyed and the couch would be shredded. I can only imagine what a big, smart dog could do if it wanted to make it's displeasure known at being stuck locked up in a house alone. :eek:
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