Pale Master. . .Monk?

Grandpa · Post by **Grandpa** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 8:46 pm

I do not have this game. However, looking at it's previews, I wonder if it is possible in this game to have a Pale Master/Monk? Create the undead graft and then every punch deals a possibility of slaying the target? Or at least that's how I like to imagine it

. I just like the visual image of a karate man with a nasty bone arm getting ready to "Judo chop!".

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Mon Oct 18, 2004 9:01 pm

It is possible
mater of fact on the load up screen it states that a palemaster monk is a deadly opponent or something like that

Grandpa · Post by **Grandpa** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 2:52 am

Heh, what do you know

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Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 3:32 pm

You have to be a arcane spellcaster, then palemaster and monk. Bioware should explain things like this better in NwN 2

The Great Hairy · Post by **The Great Hairy** » Tue Oct 19, 2004 9:08 pm

IIRC, to qualify for Pale Master, the PC needs to be non-good (so LN or LE for Monks) and able to cast 3rd level arcane spells (so 5th level Wizard or 6th level Sorcerer).

The Monk/Wizard/Pale Master I was playing was Wizard 5th / Monk 5th / Pale Master 17th when I finished HotU. A reasonable class, although he was a little weak in some areas. I would have liked to be able to take him to a higher level, especially as his Undead Summon gets more powerful with levels. And he wasn't that good in melee either. Maybe should have got some more levels in Monk...

Cheers,
TGHO

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 1:00 pm

[QUOTE=The Great Hairy]IIRC, to qualify for Pale Master, the PC needs to be non-good (so LN or LE for Monks) and able to cast 3rd level arcane spells (so 5th level Wizard or 6th level Sorcerer).

TGHO[/QUOTE]

You don't have to be able to cast 3rd level spells. You only need three levels in arcane spellcaster ( that gives the wizard 2nd lv. spells and the sorcerer 1. lv. spells)

The Great Hairy · Post by **The Great Hairy** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 7:04 pm

[QUOTE=Fiberfar]You don't have to be able to cast 3rd level spells. You only need three levels in arcane spellcaster ( that gives the wizard 2nd lv. spells and the sorcerer 1. lv. spells)[/QUOTE]

From the Bioware NWN site:
Pale Master Requirements -
Alignment: Any non-good
Arcane Spellcasting: level 3 or higher

Which means you have to be able to cast 3rd Level arcane spells. Admittedly, I currently don't have NWN (& expansions) installed, so I'm not 100% sure if that is correct or not. But I clearly remember my Pale Master character - and he had to get to 5th lvl Mage before he could become a Pale Master.

Cheers,
TGHO

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 4:49 am

you don't have to be able to cast third lv spells, at least not in the "not patched verson"

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:35 am

i tried it out and made a monk level 1, then went to wizard three then pale master 10 then monk 5 then wizard 5, then palemaster 30

The Great Hairy · Post by **The Great Hairy** » Thu Oct 21, 2004 7:01 pm

Huh, well that is interesting! What patch are you guys using to do that? I was on the base HotU install (which was 1.59, IIRC).

Hmm, that also means that Bioware stuffed up the 3rd Ed rules, as the Wizards site states that to become a Pale Master you have to be able to cast 3rd level arcane spells.

Cheers all,
TGHO

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 1:32 am

Yes Bio stuffed 3rd ed rules.

Yes Wiz/Pale/Monk is a good combo, but only if you take few monk levels (preferably 1) and 10 pale. But once you meet somebody with spell resistance...

The Great Hairy · Post by **The Great Hairy** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 6:40 pm

Don't cast spells at them. Hit them with the Arm of Doooooom! That's what it is there for. Or get your summon(s) to chew their heads off. Or get a henchie to kill them. There are dozens of ways of handling that situation.

Cheers,
TGHO

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 6:34 am

[QUOTE=The Great Hairy]Don't cast spells at them. Hit them with the Arm of Doooooom! That's what it is there for. Or get your summon(s) to chew their heads off. Or get a henchie to kill them. There are dozens of ways of handling that situation.

Cheers,
TGHO[/QUOTE]

I would not think that the summons are your lifesaver. Of course, the Lich, The elder Alhoon and the demi Lich is darn powerful. But they have a bad habbit, i.e using Powerword Kill on a orc or something like that.
(a nice thing is that they can't be turned by a cleric character)

Noober · Post by **Noober** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 5:59 pm

[QUOTE=The Great Hairy]Don't cast spells at them. Hit them with the Arm of Doooooom! That's what it is there for. Or get your summon(s) to chew their heads off. Or get a henchie to kill them. There are dozens of ways of handling that situation.

Cheers,
TGHO[/QUOTE]

All summons, excluding the demilich etc., are rather mediocre, then if you get the demilich, it will be a far superior caster to you, but with sub-standard AI. And I'm pretty sure they can be turned if you meet a strong enough Cleric.

And of course, you'll never hit with your arm, let alone get a creature/player to fail the save. Also, don't forget that most people solo HotU now, as they want as much exp as possible for themselves (plus, most pvp servers don't allow henchmen).

EDIT: Henchmen

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 7:48 pm

[QUOTE=Noober]All summons, excluding the demilich etc., are rather mediocre, then if you get the demilich, it will be a far superior caster to you, but with sub-standard AI. And I'm pretty sure they can be turned if you meet a strong enough Cleric.

[/QUOTE]

The Cleric would have to be on lv 42+ since the Demilich is a Undead lv 21+

The Great Hairy · Post by **The Great Hairy** » Sat Oct 23, 2004 9:13 pm

<Shrug> you guys are talking a different experience to me. I don't play PvP, so can't judge the effectiveness of any class versus any class when controlled by another human. And since I only play PvM, my experience is quite different.

For my Pale Master/Monk, his summons were very effective - the Lich, I found, was very good at taking care of bunches of mid-level fighters and the like, whilst I happily whacked creatures with the undead graft.

@Noober
PvP servers don't allow what? Summons? Isn't that a bit unfair on the player?

Cheers,
TGHO

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 2:51 pm

what does PvP and PvM stand for?
Player versus Player and Player versus Machine???

Raumoheru · Post by **Raumoheru** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 5:47 pm

yes that is what it means

The Great Hairy · Post by **The Great Hairy** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 7:25 pm

Fiberfar - yep, pretty much, although PvM can also mean Player versus Monsters.

I personally prefer to play PvM. I'm not one for PvP play.

Cheers,
TGHO

Opalescence · Post by **Opalescence** » Sun Oct 24, 2004 11:12 pm

I wasn't aware deathless touch extended to melee attacks >_<. It does? Woah. And what's this Lich I keep hearing about? Palemasters can summon liches? That's really scary ... at what level can he do that?