Do people really think like C. Menges?

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:14 am

www.washtimes.com/commentary/20020807-85262452.htm

This C. Menges is a professor. He advised on international policies for 3 American presidents. And he wrote the biggest piece of **** I've read in months. It's borderline offensive. What are your opinions about this?

smass · Post by **smass** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:35 am

Not knowing anything about the politics of Brazil I would like to know why you think this article is a "piece of ****". Specifically what points that this Mr. Menges makes would you dispute and why?

What is your take on Mr. De Silva? Does he indeed indeed have close ties to Castro?

Since I don't know I am asking for your opinion.

Delacroix · Post by **Delacroix** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:50 am

I truly don't remember of read anything more stupid than this. In the beginning I thought was a joke.
The one who wrote this masterpiece have knowledge enough to know the crime he is doing.

Diferent from USA, here(Brazil), there is no "freedom of expression", that was a crime with legal prevention.

smass · Post by **smass** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:05 pm

I am still interested in what particular points that this Mr. Menges makes that you both seem to find wrong or untrue.

Again - I don't know the first thing about Brazilian politics or Mr. De Silva in particular. I am looking for some enlightenment here - what does Mr. De Silva stand for - what are his politics, what are his ties, if any, to Castro - and in general what do you both find offensive in particular about this article?

I have no reason to agree or disagree with Mr. Menges at this point - I am just interested in the opposing point of view.

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:07 pm

Is the US picking fights with random countries which arn't really related to them in any way? If they start bombing every country that is "a potential enemy", is running an "undemocratic regieme" or "supports terrorist groups" I don't really see what can stop them from bombing any country at all...
Thank God that article was not written by anyone who has any power but merely individual with "bright ideas"...

Delacroix · Post by **Delacroix** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:13 pm

Originally posted by smass
Not knowing anything about the politics of Brazil I would like to know why you think this article is a "piece of ****". Specifically what points that this Mr. Menges makes would you dispute and why?

The full text an absurd.

What is your take on Mr. De Silva?

I'll vote in him.

Does he indeed indeed have close ties to Castro?

Lula and Castro have a good relations? Yes. They use to talk sometimes.

smass · Post by **smass** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:24 pm

"If they start bombing every country that is "a potential enemy", is running an "undemocratic regieme" or "supports terrorist groups" I don't really see what can stop them from bombing any country at all... "

Before the USA bashing gets into full swing I had to comment on this qoute. I would agree that bombing a country that is a "potential enemy" or has an "undemocratic regime" would be morally and legally wrong. As an American I don't particularly care about the politics of other nations - to each his own - However, governments that directly support terrorist groups that have, as their stated reason for existence, the goal of killing as many Americans as possible - are fair game. I want to emphasize "governments". I have no beef with the people of Afganistan for instance - but the Taliban had stepped over the line by supporting Al-Queda and the 911 disaster. If Denmark were attacked in such a way by terrorist maybe you would agree.

Getting back to the discussion of politics in Brazil - I want to hear the other side of the story - any information would be appreciated.

Jaesha · Post by **Jaesha** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 12:25 pm

Now this text must be the biggest piece of bullspit I have read in a long time, that and an article I read called "Afganistan cries for help".

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 1:04 pm

In short:
Mr. Da Silva was a blue collar worker, rose in the union ranks and was one of the founders of Brazilian "Worker's Party". It's right to say they are of a socialist bent, like you would expect from a union-born party.
Da Silva was on the forefront of the movement that brought democracy back into Brazil, wrestling power from the hands of 20 years military sponsored government. He was the most voted ever congressman in Brazilian history.
Have been the second place runner in Brazil's past three presidential elections.

About Mr. Menges comments:
Brazil never had ballistic missile programs, and the nuclear program is limited to it's 2 soon-to-be-3 nuclear powerplants.
Brazilian constitution forbids support in armed actions outside it's borders other than as members of peace-keeping forces. The constitution cannot be overturned without a majority vote of the congress.
I am not voting for Da Silva on October. I disagree with several of his statements. But imply that his ascension to presidency would mean a non-democratic Brazilian government is simply silly. In fact, trying to curb his election through pressure, economical or otherwise would be an anti-democratic action.

Delacroix · Post by **Delacroix** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 3:44 pm

@smass: Brazil is even near to be a potential USA enemy in the present. BTW in your post you forgot to mention the "Big Stick", the "Platt emenda" and all "Cold War stuff"

Anger cannot born from nothing.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 4:21 pm

What a strange article. I am not well familiar with Brazilian politics, I am sure I would have understood the article better if I was.

What are mr Menges goal with this article do you think? What does he want to achieve?

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 4:51 pm

Brazil never had ballistic missile programs, and the nuclear program is limited to it's 2 soon-to-be-3 nuclear powerplants.

Menges reminds me of some friends of mine who are on the far, far left (which meets the far, far right) that believe the government puts additives in food and water to control the population, etc. The building blocks of their world view starts by accepting some initial premises that go unchallenged, and then builds upwards from there, flaw upon flaw. The results can be strange, to say the least. Brazil joining Cuba and Venezuela in forming a Latin American Axis of Evil...? Nuclear bombs from Brazil?

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 6:24 pm

Don’t you fools understand? An attack on the U.S. from Latin America is immanent! But they’re not going to use nuclear weapons. No, they have a much deadlier tool... the chupacabra! That's right, they’re going to send the infamous goatsucker as an organic weapon to kill off all our livestock! We're doomed!!!

smass · Post by **smass** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:06 pm

Hide the sheep Elmer - them pinko latinos are after our wooly booty call.

Thanks for the info folks

Delacroix · Post by **Delacroix** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 7:28 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans
What are mr Menges goal with this article do you think? What does he want to achieve?

Same of Soros; by difamation and lies accepted by ignorant economist and general people stop Lula from reach the presidence of the republic. They have made this before, and it works.

fable · Post by **fable** » Wed Aug 21, 2002 8:46 pm

Originally posted by Kayless
Don’t you fools understand? An attack on the U.S. from Latin America is immanent! But they’re not going to use nuclear weapons. No, they have a much deadlier tool... the chupacabra! That's right, they’re going to send the infamous goatsucker as an organic weapon to kill off all our livestock! We're doomed!!!

And here I thought their secret weapon was the merangue. Silly me.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Wed Aug 21, 2002 11:56 pm

Time for some injokes...

Originally posted by fable

And here I thought their secret weapon was the merangue. Silly me.

No, no, no. You and Kayless are both wrong. The Brazilians (I'm going to Brazil for a holiday at the end of the year, BTW) are going to attack democracy using the 3 orang-utans that the brazilian exchange student staying with my family for the year has been raising in his bedroom in Juiz de fora, and the shark in his toilet.
Also, he says Brazil invented Kung Fu, so the US forces stand no chance.

Jaesha · Post by **Jaesha** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 12:57 am

he says Brazil invented Kung Fu, so the US forces stand no chance.

Leonardo · Post by **Leonardo** » Thu Aug 22, 2002 5:56 am

No, no, no. You and Kayless are both wrong. The Brazilians (I'm going to Brazil for a holiday at the end of the year, BTW) are going to attack democracy using the 3 orang-utans that the brazilian exchange student staying with my family for the year has been raising in his bedroom in Juiz de fora, and the shark in his toilet.

Eheh.
If you are going to stop in São Paulo on your holiday, PM me for a beer...

What are mr Menges goal with this article do you think? What does he want to achieve?

Aggravate economic impending crisis in Brazil; crisis that is based on blatant especulation by major investitors worldwide. Buy low, sell high.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:29 am

Originally posted by Leonardo
Eheh.
If you are going to stop in São Paulo on your holiday, PM me for a beer...

I'll be travelling with Victor, the exchange student, and he lives in Juiz de Fora, but if we're going to Sao Paulo I'll look you up.

I'm trying to get Victor to join gamebanshee, but no luck so far.