Clothing, fashion, and lust (spam responsibly!)

frogus · Post by **frogus** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 4:04 am

*walks in in Floral print dress* Hi DW!

Originally posted by dragon wench
I have to agree with you there, IMO floral print dresses (on either gender ) are truly boring....

Hmmph...*removes heels and skulks back out*

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 6:32 am

Originally posted by Gruntboy
Good topic fable.

Thanks.

I enjoy oggling girls in tight jeans.

I see we share a preference in intellectual pursuits.

So are there many women wearing tight jeans in your locale, @Grunt? There are damned few in the Mid-Atlantic states of the US, as far as I can tell. Perhaps more can be found on college campuses, but I'm doubtful. Boston, edging into the Northeast, didn't have much to show for itself in this regard, either.

To everyone: what do you think determines the fashions in your general area? I suspect the absence of gangsta idols in Hungary has prevented the taste for that clothing, there; or maybe a tight fit is part of the culture. What's it like in your area?

Minerva · Post by **Minerva** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 10:02 am

Originally posted by fable

To everyone: what do you think determines the fashions in your general area? I suspect the absence of gangsta idols in Hungary has prevented the taste for that clothing, there; or maybe a tight fit is part of the culture. What's it like in your area?

Old T-shirt with fleece jumper or/and Gore-Tex jacket, a pair of jeans/khaki trousers/trackpants and a pair of muddy walking shoes or wellington boots.

I'm living in the middle of nowhere, near Dartmoor.

KidD01 · Post by **KidD01** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 11:38 am

Re: Clothing, fashion, and lust

Originally posted by fable
The other day I was waiting for my flight back from Boston, seated at the airport, and indulged in the age-old habit of girl-watching. I was dismayed: it seemed no one was interested in wearing tight jeans. To understand what I mean, you have to know that when my wife and I traveled to Budapest this past September, tight jeans, pants, and skirts were very in. It did my heart good, and, judging from the glances of many Hungarian men, it didn't exactly pain their eyes, either.

Fashions change, and they differ across the globe. What's considered erotic or teasing in one culture is passe in another, scandalous in a third, and unpractical in a fourth. Are clothes used as an attractor in your culture, or one you know? What clothes on the opposite sex (or the same sex, or some hitherto unsuspected third sex) sends your blood singing, assuming your blood can carry a tune?

Well most women here seems have certain crafve on less materials. Tight skirts, tight blouse, sometimes the skirts are wayyy sooooooo short that the thought "Is that a skirt or merely a rug they wear?"

On the other hand I truly enjoy it since those women give some relieve during some stress times. if I may quote from a song : "It make my heart sing !"

As for culture impact, my country are mostly moslems. Yes, some of them disagree on this "sexy" fashion thing, yet it's the wearers prerogative to decide what to wear. So they can do nothing about it.

As for me, I stick with my leather jacket, T-shirt, pants and boots............all black except for the T-shirt

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Aug 04, 2002 3:35 pm

Originally posted by Gruntboy
Basically I'm just a dirty old man trapped in a young man's body.

LOL

Who'd have thunk it?

@CE, you have complained about baggy and beige, i am so guilty of that i am starting to think i might have put you off them

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:22 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep
@CE, you have complained about baggy and beige, i am so guilty of that i am starting to think i might have put you off them

Not at all, after having seen you in the tight club T-shirt (the one on the picture Georgi posted in the photo thread) I've got a fairly good idea of what's beneath the baggy and beige...which is enough to keep my interest up

To answer Fables new question: Fashion is this area is clearly dictated by the same media that sets the fashion is most of the Western world, the mainstream fashion is exactly the same here as in all of Europe, it is if fact very boring. Local variation is very small.

Looking at subcultures, it is very often the music they listen to that dictates their clothing style, kind of strange really, since there is not really an obvious logical connection between what you wear and what music you favour. Obviously it is a question of wanting to identifiy oneself as belonging to a certain cathegory, perhaps also a signal to like minded people.

KidD01 · Post by **KidD01** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 2:39 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep
LOL Who'd have thunk it?

I believe it's Homer Simpson

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 7:55 am

Originally posted by C Elegans
Not at all, after having seen you in the tight club T-shirt (the one on the picture Georgi posted in the photo thread) I've got a fairly good idea of what's beneath the baggy and beige...which is enough to keep my interest up

Well if you had asked really nicely i could have taken my shirt off...although i think that would probably have put you off men or at least food

Plus i would have to have breathed out eventually

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 8:00 am

Looking at subcultures, it is very often the music they listen to that dictates their clothing style, kind of strange really, since there is not really an obvious logical connection between what you wear and what music you favour.

Now there's an interesting thought. I wonder how much the sexy hip shaking of salsa has determined the tight cut of clothing in at least some latino youth cultures? You can't dance the stuff if you're wearing baggy clothing--well, you can, but you risk laughter that will haunt you the rest of your days.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 9:31 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Well if you had asked really nicely i could have taken my shirt off...although i think that would probably have put you off men or at least food Plus i would have to have breathed out eventually

ROFLMAO

Nothing can put me off neither men nor food!

posted by Fable
Now there's an interesting thought. I wonder how much the sexy hip shaking of salsa has determined the tight cut of clothing in at least some latino youth cultures? You can't dance the stuff if you're wearing baggy clothing--well, you can, but you risk laughter that will haunt you the rest of your days.

All the dance styles I know that have Latin American origin involved extensive hip shaking, so there could be a connection. Dances based on a lot of hip moves looks sort of pointless, or like one has a motor disorder, if performed in baggy clothes.

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 9:51 am

Originally posted by fable
Now there's an interesting thought. I wonder how much the sexy hip shaking of salsa has determined the tight cut of clothing in at least some latino youth cultures? You can't dance the stuff if you're wearing baggy clothing--well, you can, but you risk laughter that will haunt you the rest of your days.

Well, I can't dance that stuff no matter *what* clothes I wear!

I'm sure body morphology has something to do with clothing choices. I live in an area with a high percentage of hispanics in the population, but the styles they wear don't always transfer well to other builds.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 10:20 am

Originally posted by Gwalchmai
I'm sure body morphology has something to do with clothing choices. I live in an area with a high percentage of hispanics in the population, but the styles they wear don't always transfer well to other builds.

How do you mean?

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 11:00 am

Originally posted by fable
How do you mean?

Okay, let’s see. The trend for Hispanic women that I see down here is to have very curvaceous bodies: naturally augmented up top and hips that were meant to be shook – most delightful, I must say. Also, dark hair of various shades and not-pale skin. Eyes so large and dark you could lose yourself for weeks.

Consequently, they wear clothing that’s tighter. You rarely see the baggy pants on a Hispanic woman. Brighter colors are common, to accent the top, and draw the eye up to the face. A little leg is often shown, but not the thigh. Shorts are not worn. Dresses tend to be form-fitting with open necks.

Caucasian women are the ones who wear the neutral tones, baggy pants, etc. I don’t know why. Perhaps the baggy pants are meant to ‘make up’ for their boyish hips?

The heat down here may also have a lot to do with casual dressing styles – in obvious ways….

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 12:27 pm

Apart from body built, I am sure that cultural values play a very large role. From what I've seen, Latino soceity in general have more stereotype, traditional gender role than we see in Northen Europe or Northen US. Many women, especially professionals, prefer not to wear very tight or short skirts because they don't want to present themselves as sex objects. It is a sad fact that women are still targets of male chauvism and discrimination in some areas, and unfortunately a dressing style enhancing the feminine just makes it harder for you as a profession woman. And hearing a lot of comments about your ass is perhaps not what you wish from you 30 male colleagues you are supposed to work together with.

Just a thought @Gwally and Fable.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 12:49 pm

@C Elegans:
Perhaps to give our friends fable and Gwalchmai the benefit of the doubt, let's say they were talking about the way people dress in a leisure or recreational setting.

Under these conditions, I would postulate that both women and men objectify each other (and themselves) in order to look for a mate or a tryst partner. I just spent a week at the beach where I engaged in my usual people-watching. In Mrytle Beach, there is a length of downtown known as "the strip" where people walk and drive their cars in order to expose themselves (sometimes vulgarly) to the crowds. There are throngs of tourist traps, bars, restaurants and other standard boardwalk fare.

The people cruising the strip, either in a vehicle or on foot, are generally there to be noticed and to take notice of the others who are there. Most of the people out at night are just out of high school or college-age, say 18-24. They dress in ways that emphasise certain physical attributes: breasts, hair and thighs for the girls; shoulders, chests and backsides for the boys.

I stayed in a house with some of my in-laws who included my stepdaughter (20 years old) and two of my brother-in-law's daughters (16 and 15 years old) and you should have seen the way they primped and dressed before we left for downtown. It made me wonder how much stupid stuff I did to myself in high school and college for the sake of being noticed.

I don't think there is any doubt that people dress and act in ways that will be noticed. Whether it is short skirts or tight jeans, different cultures value different physical attributes and stress certain styles of dress that people invariably try to form themselves in to. In social settings, people are more apt to dress provocatively because they're looking for a partner (permenant or temporary) while in a business setting they tend to dress and act conservatively because it's more "professional".

I don't think that either fable or Gwalchmai are particularly shallow people, and I believe that in a working environment they would treat a woman just the same as a man no matter how she's dressed. That's not to say that they don't engage in the stereotypical male oogling at a girl in whatever they consider sexy or provocative, but I think it's safe to say that they value women more than simply as objects.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 12:56 pm

Perhaps to give our friends fable and Gwalchmai the benefit of the doubt, let's say they were talking about the way people dress in a leisure or recreational setting.

Yes, by all means let's give 'em the benefit of the doubt, especially when Fable hadn't even commented on the matter in the first place.

frogus · Post by **frogus** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:02 pm

I'm interested to know - where do you guys stand on flares?

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:03 pm

Originally posted by fable
especially when Fable hadn't even commented on the matter in the first place.

Sorry, old man; I was thrown by the nematode's, "Just a thought @Gwally and Fable."

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:08 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans
Apart from body built, I am sure that cultural values play a very large role. From what I've seen, Latino soceity in general have more stereotype, traditional gender role than we see in Northen Europe or Northen US. Many women, especially professionals, prefer not to wear very tight or short skirts because they don't want to present themselves as sex objects. It is a sad fact that women are still targets of male chauvism and discrimination in some areas, and unfortunately a dressing style enhancing the feminine just makes it harder for you as a profession woman. And hearing a lot of comments about your ass is perhaps not what you wish from you 30 male colleagues you are supposed to work together with.

Just a thought @Gwally and Fable.

I'm not quite sure what to make of this. Did I say anything inappropriate?

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Mon Aug 05, 2002 1:14 pm

@HLD: what a strange post...did you think I was ironic or something?

I am not sure I understand...

Originally posted by HighLordDave
@C Elegans:
Perhaps to give our friends fable and Gwalchmai the benefit of the doubt, let's say they were talking about the way people dress in a leisure or recreational setting.

The benefit of the doubt? Did I accuse of them something? What on earth have I missed?

Under these conditions, I would postulate that both women and men objectify each other (and themselves) in order to look for a mate or a tryst partner. [.b]

Not necessarily, especially if you already have a partner. I always dress in tight clothes, but some of my friends, esp. female ones, make a point out of never wear tight or otherwise suggestive clothing at parties etc, since they are tired of other men hitting on them.

I don't think that either fable or Gwalchmai are particularly shallow people, and I believe that in a working environment they would treat a woman just the same as a man no matter how she's dressed. That's not to say that they don't engage in the stereotypical male oogling at a girl in whatever they consider sexy or provocative, but I think it's safe to say that they value women more than simply as objects.

That is my appreciation of both of them too. But this part of your post makes me even more confused - did you believe I was suggestion this was not the case?

As I said, I am totally confused here, I thought I just discussed different factors that may contribute to different clothing styles, starting out with music, then Fable mentioned dance, Gwally mentioned body type, and I added cultural difference and differences in gender roles. There must be something here I clearly don't see...