Physical Beauty.

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Thu Jul 11, 2002 6:44 pm

By no means am I saying that beauty is the only determining factor in a relationship, but it is something everyone does take into account. In my experience, the beautiful people tend to assosciate with other beautiful ppl. And therefore, they tend to start relationships with beautiful people.

And if it comes down to it, if person a and person b had identical personality traits that you found really attractive (impossible I know) but just saying they do, and person b was beautiful to your eyes, wouldnt you be more likely to go out with them? And if you to were beautiful wouldn't they be more inclined to go with you?

dragon wench · Post by **dragon wench** » Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:12 pm

In my experience, the beautiful people tend to assosciate with other beautiful ppl. And therefore, they tend to start relationships with beautiful people.

Precisely...in your experience.......

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Thu Jul 11, 2002 7:26 pm

Originally posted by dragon wench
I believe that a person's attractiveness is defined by their interior, and as others have stated, so much of what we perceive as beauty is highly subjective.

As we all age, I believe the interior beauty does replace physical beauty. Or maybe it's wisdom.

At 15 physical beauty will be higher on the list. You spend less time with the person, meaning the traits of this person doesn't show.

30 and the fact the person will be with you more often means you find a person with the interior beauty. One whos traits more go along with yours.

RandomThug · Post by **RandomThug** » Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:48 am

Do you know whats beautiful?

A nice clean glass, filled to the brim with crown royal.

thats beauty.

thug

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Fri Jul 12, 2002 5:04 pm

I keep witnessing an old (very old) attitude against good looking
people. (not here in particular, no worries

)
Somewhat on the line "it's only appearence, it's the inside of a
man that count!"
So, a discrimination between "trivial" and "noble" qualities.
I don't understand.
Is maybe envy that produce this attitude? As I said it's a very
common thing.
Mind you: I'm NOT good-looking. Average, sure enough.
And not that I haven't felt envy for truly good-looking guys,
in the past..
But think of this. If you think that beauty is a gift ramdomly
conceded, what of the rest??
Intelligence? Will? Those things too are, in a large part, innate.
So, HOW MUCH one has to be fond of them??
Of course, we can improve them somewhat.
But the same applies for appearence!
If one works hard, with determination, to improve his appearence
(diet, gymn, sport, alternative looks), is this not something to praise?
And a sign of will, positive attitude, and a good personality, someway?

I say again, we're all different persons.
Each one is born with his own characteristics, then each one of us
follows his own path, based on preferences, attitudes, and so
on.
I don't think ugly people deserve to be judged for their
appearence, but neither good-looking ones deserve this.
Don't forget that truly beatyful people, will suffer more
than average with age. They lose more than the others.
So let's put aside this old attitude...
Life is more balanced than it seems.
Each one has happy, sad, easy and hard moments in life..
Enjoy and live yours, and try not to judge too much.
People often surprised me, when I did....

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Fri Jul 12, 2002 7:27 pm

@Littiz, whoa. Wise words, you too Weasel.

Taking a step back though from the relationship issue, what about day to day life? Will attractive people have more friends and followers? Leaders are more often then not attractive people.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Fri Jul 12, 2002 8:41 pm

I don't know if it is the attractiveness of their physical person or more the self confidence that the same person seems to possess. I think if someone is in a leadership role, people want to feel that they are competant, and that usually favors someone who projects a lot of confidence in themselves.

At the same time, I would like to point out that there are those that it seems their physical appearance works against them. I know some people who are very good looking people, in some cases to the point that people tend to believe that the is nothing going on in their heads.

In my opinion, from what I have seen personally, it could just as likely go either way. Just throughing a random thought out.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Fri Jul 12, 2002 9:03 pm

Just to clerify: I'm not trying to be arrogent at all.

I personally don't believe I notice or care about physical beauty in women anymore. To me, when a women is really hot or beautiful physically is when I know they are beautiful inside too. Sounds pretty stupid, but thats me.

I think I'm like this because no girl has ever thought I was cute or good-looking. My current girlfriend does now, but again, thats after we got to know each other.

However, now, I honestly don't care much about it.I'm thinking of getting an eyebrow piercing; if people say i'll look ugly, I can say I can't get any worse!

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 9:50 am

Originally posted by Obsidian
I disagree with the statement beauty is a shell. It is an outward an obvious display of good genetics. Beauty isn't just a face. In men, it is a robust and muscled body (for most cultures) which indicates health and strength, good for siring young, and in women, features like wide hips, slim bodys and large breasts indicate a healthy body capable of bearing many healthy children.

Is this some kind of joke, Or do you seriously think there is a connection between beauty and health?

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 9:57 am

Originally posted by Gaxx_Firkraag
Just to clerify: I'm not trying to be arrogent at all.

We all grow up at different times..(Or get wisdom at different times) Sometimes age doesn't matter.

I'm 31 and plan on growing up .....in about another 30 years..give or take a couple of years.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:07 am

I think Obsidian is saying that on some level, we seek out the most fit and healthy looking mate to increase the chances of the offspring being fit to survive. An evolutionary way of looking at the subject, you know, survival of the fittest.

@Weasel....you'll never survive to grow up then, unless you choose your advisors carefully indeed.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:19 am

@BS: But the beauty ideals are very often far from healthy. And Personaly when I look for beauty I look much on the face. I cant see how the face can be so important from an evolutionary perspective. This can also be observed in animals, I think some have rather unpractical features for no real purpose other than mateing.

Bloodstalker · Post by **Bloodstalker** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:27 am

I understand, but on some levels it would seem that appearence can indicate health. A physically fit person would likely be in better health than someone who spends all their time watching springer, and would likely be different in appearance. I guess it depends on what your definitin of beauty is, some look at fitness, some don't.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 10:37 am

Originally posted by Bloodstalker
I guess it depends on what your definitin of beauty is, some look at fitness, some don't.

Wich is my point - Beauty is not always connected to health. To say that the failure to fit into the current beauty norm is a sign of not having good genetics is a bad mistake imo.

Littiz · Post by **Littiz** » Sun Jul 14, 2002 4:37 pm

Heheh, I think you're right...
What makes a girl (physically) charming to me:
-A cute face (short haired...)
-Elegant, slender hands
-Elegant, slender feets
Where's health here?!?!

(And go find someone else with my likings...

)

Again my point is, there's a role for everybody, and a role
for every kind of qualities, beauty included.
Nothing terrible to accept, IMHO.
We're not only body, and not only mind...

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 10:43 am

@Dottie, I am actually quite serious. Physical Attractiveness and healthy I think are directly linked.

But the beauty ideals are very often far from healthy

Im saying beaty is connected to health. Someone who is inately healthy is imo more attractive. Anerexia and the like are problems that come from trying to look beautiful by societys standards rather then your own. If someone is suffereing from one of these problems, logically, they wouldn't be healthy would they? Pretty viscious cycle really.

A man/women with good muscle tone, teeth, build etc are generally going to live a healthier life ( Note, I AM generalizing) A good physique with muscle indicates a healthy lifestyle with physical work and good eating. Someone who exercises and eats right is more likely to live longer therefore making a better mate.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 1:31 pm

Originally posted by Obsidian
Someone who is inately healthy is imo more attractive. Anerexia and the like are problems that come from trying to look beautiful by societys standards rather then your own. If someone is suffereing from one of these problems, logically, they wouldn't be healthy would they? Pretty viscious cycle really.

Imo is indeed the word here. I dont know what difference you make between societys standars and individual standars, but I think very few people have standards that is connected to health. For example I know quite many who doesnt apreciate a female muscular body, female facial or body hair etc. I dont think any of these atributes can be consider sickly in any way. Im not sure in wich culture you live in or wich friends you have, but if they all judge beauty on health I think they are quite spectacular.

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 4:24 pm

I love having my words twisted...

I'm just saying, generally, attractive people have healthy bodies.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 4:31 pm

Originally posted by Obsidian
I'm just saying, generally, attractive people have healthy bodies.

Attractive in your opinion yes. But I disagree there is an objective beauty standard wich indicate health. My own preferences in this subject is not one that indicate health, and neither one that is common in the society were I live.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 4:37 pm

Some years ago, several cultural anthropologists and sociologists got together and asked if there were some universal standards of beauty. It is a given that different cultures value different physical attributes differently. For instance, some people are attracted to women with large breasts and round hips, while others are not. Some women find tall men with broad shoulders desirable, while others do not. We also see this with the ways people go about self-mutilating themselves for the sake of beauty: foot binding, neck stretching, piercings, tattoos, breast implants, etc. Without understanding someone's cultural context, we may or may not see why certain physical attributes are or are not valued.

In looking at many cultures around the world, these scientists found that health and youth were universally more desirable in every culture. That is, while many cultures revere their elders, the people considered "beautiful" were either young or appeared youthful. Similarly, people with a clear, healthy complexion were considered more attractive than those with ruddy complexions.