Didn't we learn the first time? (no spam)

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:04 am

Isn't this how we got started in Vietnam?

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:20 am

The Abu Sayyaf is a small contingent.

And the army have made it be known, that they will leave after the 31st.

However the SF should of never been sent in to do direct combat. By doing so, they turned a small domestic problem into a major international one. As its a major publicity coup for the small brigade who will no doubt be backed by fanatics from the surrounding regions.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:26 am

Another Vietnam=a resurgence of the hippy culture=student demonstrations + more weed. Woohoo! (every cloud has a silver lining).

I'm hardly surprised that it's under Bush that a possible next Vietnam has come to fruition, though. The question is how the American public are going to react.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:55 am

Originally posted by HighLordDave
Isn't this how we got started in Vietnam?

Yes this is close to how the US got pulled into Vietnam. (Except there in no European country involved this time)

Will it turn into it? Depends on the people of the US. One thing the US military learned well in Vietnam...without public support, it will fail and loose money for it's pet projects.

Plus (from watching the bio's on most US Generals) they don't want to be in another Vietnam. Get in quick, do what needs doing, then get out.

(Now if Bush thinks he can pull off starting another Vietnam... IMHO he is badly fooled.)

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:24 pm

The first time? What about the second time, or the third, or the many, many times america has done this in south america and the middle east. Bin Laden was trained by someone...

CM · Post by CM » Sat Jun 22, 2002 3:47 pm

Bad move i must agree.
Countries already accuse the US of meddling.
Now they have even more "evidence".
Personally think the US should back off from policing the world.
Either do it objectively or don't do it at all.
But this would just get more americans in the line of fire.
Some thing the american people have never liked.

prateek · Post by **prateek** » Sun Jun 23, 2002 12:36 am

Unless bush becomes a fascist and turn the States into a totalitarian state, their will be oppisition towards him and the decision.

I'm not neccessarily fond of certain aspects of the left wing......(where such oppisition comes from anyway)

so....

who's in favor of encouraging Germany re invade France?

nael · Post by **nael** » Sun Jun 23, 2002 10:31 am

Originally posted by prateek
Unless bush becomes a fascist and turn the States into a totalitarian state, their will be oppisition towards him and the decision.

I'm not neccessarily fond of certain aspects of the left wing......(where such oppisition comes from anyway)

so....

who's in favor of encouraging Germany re invade France?

yeah! go germany, kick some frog butt!

the Phillipines has an interesting history with the US. one little tidbit of knowledge, filipino citizens are the only citizens of another country allowed to serve in the US Army.
we not only have military installations, but we even have a VA clinic out there. ever since the insurrection, we have been very much a strong part of their country.
and besides we have to protect our interests in the place that invented the yo-yo!...and ate Magellan.

Lazarus · Post by **Lazarus** » Sun Jun 23, 2002 11:35 am

Originally posted by Weasel
...Plus (from watching the bio's on most US Generals) they don't want to be in another Vietnam. Get in quick, do what needs doing, then get out...

I agree, Weasel. I think people continue to use the term Vietnam to instill a sense of dread in the public, whether that dread is warranted or not.

I don't know that I have much of an opinion on intervention of this sort, but I do think our military is smart enough to know how to fight wars without them turning into "another Vietnam."

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Sun Jun 23, 2002 1:36 pm

Hey hey, Lazarus is back!! Cool!

I agree with you that Vietnam has become a trigger word, but rightly so. America hates losing, and that war especially stings the pride of a nation and instills a view of pointless bloody wars for the rest of the world.