Just saw STAR WARS II

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Sun May 26, 2002 2:37 am

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Just wait until I raid LucasFilms, then I'll lay my bet.

Need a hand with that task?

I'll hum the Mission Impossible theme while you do all the hard work.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Sun May 26, 2002 2:48 am

With that type of teamwork we'll be invincible

Ode to a Grasshopper · Sun May 26, 2002 2:50 am

The fact that Anakin just happened to know how to fly a Naboo fighter was one of the many gripes I had with TPM. I still sya it would be far different flying a starship than it would be a pod-racer. If they'd just made him fly a T-16 like Luke says he (Luke himself) did in episode IV it would have fit in, but a pod-racer?

But still, considering Lucas probably knew people would go see TPM anyway it probably didn't worry him.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Sun May 26, 2002 2:59 am

Yeah, Lucas isn’t really all that obsessed with continuity. He felt he made his point with the Pod Racing and Naboo Fighter and then moved on.

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Mon May 27, 2002 1:49 pm

Hey Kayless, I thought you might like this for an avatar - reminded me of your Han pic.

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Mon May 27, 2002 2:12 pm

Just seen it my third time, and I don't care what people say I liked it!
Seeing multiple times only makes a clearer division- things are either really bad, or really great.

Some new thing I noted:

1. Why do the clones and the droids attack each other? they were both created by the same side! and how come, even though Jango told Obi Wan that he was hired by a man named Tyranus, did Dooku seem surprised that theclones exsisted?

2. I thought it looked really stupid when Anakin carried the bags. It looked like a bell boy walking all over a city with his master.

3. I really liked the fact that Dooku's Light Sabre was bent, it made the way he presented it look very profetional and unique.

4. I thought the diner scene was really stupid, not at all in the spirit of Star Wars.

5. R2 flying was not a good move. There could easily have been other ways for him to save the senator.

6. The inside of Kamino looked like a cross between 2001: a space odyssy and Close Encounters of the third kind. Everything was white, just like the end of 2001, and the Aliens build looked very similar to Spielberg's aliesns in Close Encounters.

7. How is Owen Lars(SP) Anakin's half brother- Anakin had no father and Shmee could only have been with Lars for 10 years at most?

8. I loved the fact that Obi Wan's code for the Jedi councel is 'Old folks home'.

9. A storm trooper tells Mace Windu that he has 5 commandos at his disposal. What happens with them?

10. I like the lines that the droids say:
Droid #1: "Uh Oh"
Droid #2: "Roger, Roger"

Again- I am impressed by the music.
Two more specific parts I noticed- right after his Mother dies there is a close up on Anakin in wich you see him getting very mad, and the music relly plays a tune reminicent of 'Psyco' in which you hear the imotional turmoil in side of him.
Second is subsequent scene when he give his "I killed Them..." speech where, in addition to one of Christenson's best acted scene, the Impirial march really shows you that he is one step closer to becoming Vader.

I know I've said this before, but I think that having the death star in production there was a move of pure genius on Lucas' part.
The best scene in the movie is still when the imperial march plays at the end as the Emperer and his entourage watch the storm troopers. IMO the best scenes in all the movies that have it, are the ones in which the Imperial March plays. In Empire it was the introduction to Vader, in Jedi it was the entrance of the emperer to the death star, and here. The best musical piece ever to grace the screen.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Mon May 27, 2002 2:50 pm

Originally posted by Gruntboy
Hey Kayless, I thought you might like this for an avatar - reminded me of your Han pic.

LMAO Grunt.

Maybe I should start a new thread called "The Many Screaming Faces of Kayless."

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Mon May 27, 2002 4:14 pm

Originally posted by Morlock
1. Why do the clones and the droids attack each other? they were both created by the same side! and how come, even though Jango told Obi Wan that he was hired by a man named Tyranus, did Dooku seem surprised that theclones exsisted?

It is all part of Palpatine's master plan. Although it could have been much better explained (that's Lucas for ya

).

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Mon May 27, 2002 6:16 pm

Originally posted by Morlock
Just seen it my third time, and I don't care what people say I liked it!
Seeing multiple times only makes a clearer division- things are either really bad, or really great.

Some new thing I noted:

1. Why do the clones and the droids attack each other? they were both created by the same side! and how come, even though Jango told Obi Wan that he was hired by a man named Tyranus, did Dooku seem surprised that theclones exsisted?

2. I thought it looked really stupid when Anakin carried the bags. It looked like a bell boy walking all over a city with his master.

3. I really liked the fact that Dooku's Light Sabre was bent, it made the way he presented it look very profetional and unique.

4. I thought the diner scene was really stupid, not at all in the spirit of Star Wars.

5. R2 flying was not a good move. There could easily have been other ways for him to save the senator.

6. The inside of Kamino looked like a cross between 2001: a space odyssy and Close Encounters of the third kind. Everything was white, just like the end of 2001, and the Aliens build looked very similar to Spielberg's aliesns in Close Encounters.

7. How is Owen Lars(SP) Anakin's half brother- Anakin had no father and Shmee could only have been with Lars for 10 years at most?

8. I loved the fact that Obi Wan's code for the Jedi councel is 'Old folks home'.

9. A storm trooper tells Mace Windu that he has 5 commandos at his disposal. What happens with them?

10. I like the lines that the droids say:
Droid #1: "Uh Oh"
Droid #2: "Roger, Roger"

Again- I am impressed by the music.
Two more specific parts I noticed- right after his Mother dies there is a close up on Anakin in wich you see him getting very mad, and the music relly plays a tune reminicent of 'Psyco' in which you hear the imotional turmoil in side of him.
Second is subsequent scene when he give his "I killed Them..." speech where, in addition to one of Christenson's best acted scene, the Impirial march really shows you that he is one step closer to becoming Vader.

I know I've said this before, but I think that having the death star in production there was a move of pure genius on Lucas' part.
The best scene in the movie is still when the imperial march plays at the end as the Emperer and his entourage watch the storm troopers. IMO the best scenes in all the movies that have it, are the ones in which the Imperial March plays. In Empire it was the introduction to Vader, in Jedi it was the entrance of the emperer to the death star, and here. The best musical piece ever to grace the screen.

What? No mention of the beautiful, stunning, angelic, incredibly gorgeous Natalie Portman? She's the sole reason I plan to see the the movie again tonight (and finally changed my LoTR wallpaper for her image). I was kind of hoping you'd write something to whet my curiosity about her, since I hear she comes rom your neighborhood. Oh well.

"sits back in chair and continues dreaming of her"

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Mon May 27, 2002 6:41 pm

Originally posted by Morlock
1. Why do the clones and the droids attack each other? they were both created by the same side! and how come, even though Jango told Obi Wan that he was hired by a man named Tyranus, did Dooku seem surprised that theclones exsisted?

Darth Sidious had both the clone army and the droid army created to start the war. He and Tyrannus are playing both sides so that Palpatine will have the excuse he needs to get the "emergency" powers from the Senate and eventually become Emperor. Dooku knew about the clone army, but he can't let the Trade Federation et al in on the joke; he's got to have them as dupes just as Palpatine needs to have dupes (Jar Jar Binks) in the Senate.

3. I really liked the fact that Dooku's Light Sabre was bent, it made the way he presented it look very profetional and unique.

If you read the book, there are some references to the fencing style of Dooku's lightsaber fighting technique as pure swordsmanship as opposed to the new fighting style of many of the younger jedi which is not only meant to fight other swordsmen, but deflect blaster bolts as well. In real life, the official Christopher Lee website claims that the actor is an accomplished swordsman in his own right has appeared in more on-screen swordfights than anyone else.

7. How is Owen Lars(SP) Anakin's half brother- Anakin had no father and Shmee could only have been with Lars for 10 years at most?

They're not half-brothers, but stepbrothers. Again, the book is much clearer about this than the movie.

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Mon May 27, 2002 10:59 pm

Originally posted by EMINEM

What? No mention of the beautiful, stunning, angelic, incredibly gorgeous Natalie Portman?

Ah, to be young again! unlike some people here, I don't think about sex everytime I see a female actress.

Why no mention of the amazing, powerful, and spell binding performance? I prove my point!

I didn't mention her because her character is clear cut and easy to understand, there is no depth to the character.

Natalie Portman is a great actress, but has yet to get a great script or character to complement her acting skills.
I personaly like her because she's an Israeli. Actualy, last week, I saw on the Israeli equvelent to 'Entertainment tonight' an interview with Lucas, Christenson and Portman, together. It was hillarious, since Portman started speaking hebrew with the interviewer, and Lucas and Christenson tried to catch on, but finaly gave up.

@HLD:I was confused because Lars said 'I guess I'm your half brother'.

Is the book recommended? I like Salvatore, but itinitialy looked like a cheep way to make a few bucks.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue May 28, 2002 3:07 am

Originally posted by Morlock
Natalie Portman is a great actress, but has yet to get a great script or character to complement her acting skills.

I was wondering about this myself, what have we actually seen her in to presume that she is a good actress? She is good in Leon but i am not aware of that many other films where she provides us with a display of her talents.

<edit> i re-read this and realised that she does show us a lot of her talents in AotC, especially that one tight white number she wears, however i did mean acting talent

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue May 28, 2002 5:55 am

Originally posted by Morlock
Is the book recommended? I like Salvatore, but itinitialy looked like a cheep way to make a few bucks.

You should read the book because the cheesy dialogue is still there but the wooden delivery is not. The characters are more fleshed out because the obsession with eye candy is not a factor.

You should not read the book because some of the action sequences (particularly the lightsaber duels, Coruscant chase scene and final droid/clone battle) don't translate well into print.

I accept that a book tie-in is a foregone merchandise item and in many cases, it is often better than the movie. A cheap way to make a few bucks is having four different "collectors edition" covers for the same book like they did with TPM.

CM · Post by CM » Tue May 28, 2002 6:37 am

Hey i have no clue about the star wars books or what EU is. So could some one please explain it simply or provide a link where i could read up on the books and stuff?
I already have a list of the 50 books, i would be more interested in how they relate to the movies and stuff.

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue May 28, 2002 6:40 am

@CM:
Go to theforce.net/books for some reviews and plot summaries of the books. Be careful; if you don't want to be spoiled, you should just read them.

CM · Post by CM » Tue May 28, 2002 12:09 pm

Thanks HLD.
Also is Mace mentioned in any of these books, or are he and others just created recently in Ep. 2?

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue May 28, 2002 12:33 pm

I'm not sure. I haven't read any of the Old Republic era books; my favourites are The Thrawn Trilogy and The Hand of Thrawn Duology, both series by Timothy Zahn and some of the New Jedi Order books beginning with Vector Prime by Salvatore.

Some of the EU books are mediocre (the X-Wing series are hit-and-miss, for example), and some are just plain horrible. Our friend Kayless has a far harsher view of the EU than I, so you might ask around for other people's opinions or visit the Jedi Council Forums at theforce.net (click on the Literature forum).

Ki Adi-Mundi had his own comic book series and I think Mace Windu has appeared in Star Wars Tales but I'm not sure about their appearances in any of the books.

CM · Post by CM » Tue May 28, 2002 12:43 pm

Ok thanks HLD.
One more question, what is the availability of the older books. Say the ones dealing with the old republic and the x-wing series.
Would i be able to get a majority of them from a normal book shop?

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Tue May 28, 2002 12:50 pm

Probably. I've seen them at chain bookstores often in the mass market size for $6.99 to $8.99. If you can't find them at a bookstore, try Amazon.com or Barnes & Noble. Just recently, Barnes & Noble had a special where they were offering free UPS ground shipping if you bought two or more items.

CM · Post by CM » Tue May 28, 2002 12:53 pm

Thanks HLD!