it was mentioned in the 'sequels' thread, so what do you think?
Who was the best Bond?
I realise that this'll probably just become a Connery vs Brosnan thread, but that's fine, as I'm a big fan of Brosnan's Bond...so tell us what you think, and reasons as well...
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As I said- Connery is best by a long shot. Brosnan is a great action hero, but not at the James Bond persona- even though gambling, women and Martini's ain't too hard to get used to. 
I liked Brosnan as Remington Steal (or is it steel?) more.
I heard that Brosnan is retiring from Bond- speculations about the next ones? So far names that have been mentioned are Robbie Williams and Russel Crowe- Well, Williams first hit was a James Bond tune rip-off.
I liked Brosnan as Remington Steal (or is it steel?) more.
I heard that Brosnan is retiring from Bond- speculations about the next ones? So far names that have been mentioned are Robbie Williams and Russel Crowe- Well, Williams first hit was a James Bond tune rip-off.
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Yup, I think the one currently in production is his last. From what I hear, Robbie Williams is out of the running, thankfully. (BTW @Morlock, Millenium is on his second album, thus hardly his first hit, and the album it's on is called "I've been expecting you", as in the evil villain thing from Bond... all supposedly because he looks a bit like Sean Connery.) Russell Crowe - also very doubtful I'd say. I haven't heard any rumours about it for ages, and can't remember the names being bandied around the last I heard, but I think they were all British actors, not especially famous ones.Originally posted by Morlock
I heard that Brosnan is retiring from Bond- speculations about the next ones? So far names that have been mentioned are Robbie Williams and Russel Crowe- Well, Williams first hit was a James Bond tune rip-off.
Edit: Brosnan will be doing Bond 21, then retiring...
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Connery was the best Bond, no contest. Brosnan is definitely second best, but still doesn’t come near Connery. Unlike some of the other Bonds, Connery wasn’t a pretty boy. He’s handsome, but in a more rugged sort of way and he actually looks like he’s capable of taking a punch (unlike say, Moore). This relates to one of main reasons I feel Connery’s Bond is the best. He’s an unapologetic cold-blooded professional. No other Bond (with the arguable exception of Dalton) could muster the type of steely toughness Connery displayed. With Connery you knew that once the chatting was over the killing would commence and there’d be no mercy.
In Dr. No for example, Professor Dent (who works for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.) sneaks into Bond’s room and shoots up his bed, not knowing Bond is calmly sitting behind the door, having used the old “pillows under the covers” trick to simulate himself asleep. When Dent walks forward Bond pulls the rug out from under him, causing him to drop his gun. After a brief interrogation, Dent tries to reach for his gun when Bond goes to light his cigarette. Unbeknownst to him, he’s empty. Bond, having cruelly toyed with his victim for long enough, tells him “That's a Smith and Wesson, and you've had your six...” before calmly shooting him.
Connery’s Bond knew what he was and accepted it, not bothering to psychoanalyze himself and the source of his eccentricities. On the other hand, In Goldeneye Brosnan’s Bond seems dejected when the new M (played by Judi Dench) calls him “a sexist misogynist dinosaur; a relic of the cold war” and when Natalya Simonova (Goldeneye’s Bond Girl) asks how he can be so cold Bond responds with startling honesty by saying “it’s what keeps me alive.” Connery’s Bond would never had indulged in such sentiment. 007 is not a role model. He would be considered an incorrigible snob were it not for his profession. He’s a simplistic hero, who should not be humanized. The Bond archetype is so pervasive it would be tantamount to sacrilege to attempt to alter it into something politically correct (which is the direction I see the franchise heading towards).
"You've had your six." *BANG*
In Dr. No for example, Professor Dent (who works for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.) sneaks into Bond’s room and shoots up his bed, not knowing Bond is calmly sitting behind the door, having used the old “pillows under the covers” trick to simulate himself asleep. When Dent walks forward Bond pulls the rug out from under him, causing him to drop his gun. After a brief interrogation, Dent tries to reach for his gun when Bond goes to light his cigarette. Unbeknownst to him, he’s empty. Bond, having cruelly toyed with his victim for long enough, tells him “That's a Smith and Wesson, and you've had your six...” before calmly shooting him.
Connery’s Bond knew what he was and accepted it, not bothering to psychoanalyze himself and the source of his eccentricities. On the other hand, In Goldeneye Brosnan’s Bond seems dejected when the new M (played by Judi Dench) calls him “a sexist misogynist dinosaur; a relic of the cold war” and when Natalya Simonova (Goldeneye’s Bond Girl) asks how he can be so cold Bond responds with startling honesty by saying “it’s what keeps me alive.” Connery’s Bond would never had indulged in such sentiment. 007 is not a role model. He would be considered an incorrigible snob were it not for his profession. He’s a simplistic hero, who should not be humanized. The Bond archetype is so pervasive it would be tantamount to sacrilege to attempt to alter it into something politically correct (which is the direction I see the franchise heading towards).
"You've had your six." *BANG*
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On the subject of new Bonds, I’m quite partial to the idea of the new Bond being a woman.
When Katherine Zeta Jones was asked if she would play a Bond Girl she said she wanted to play Bond him/herself! I rather like this, since it would really shake up the genre. Imagine if you will, a sexy female Bond seducing male villains with outrageous names (what would be a masculine equivalent for Pu$$y Galore? 
), gambling and drinking vodka martinis. 
You could even get Connery to play the new M and hint (but never explicitly state) that he’s the original James Bond and that this new Jane Bond is the result of one of his countless sexual escapades (or more likely his granddaughter). Connery and Zeta Jones had great chemistry in Entrapment, but I’d love to see a more paternal side to it (not to mention the delicious irony of an older Bond trying reel in the maverick new 007 
). The Apocryphal Never Say Never Again first introduced us to an aging 007 (with Connery as the star no less) and I think it’s a cool angle to follow up on. Though some hardcore fans might hate this revolutionary new approach, I (as a hardcore Bond fan myself) would love it. It would really inject some life into an admittedly aging franchise. The same old politically incorrect Bond archetype, just applied to a women instead. I think it has great potential. 
On the subject of new Bonds, I’m quite partial to the idea of the new Bond being a woman.
When Katherine Zeta Jones was asked if she would play a Bond Girl she said she wanted to play Bond him/herself! I rather like this, since it would really shake up the genre. Imagine if you will, a sexy female Bond seducing male villains with outrageous names (what would be a masculine equivalent for Pu$$y Galore? ), gambling and drinking vodka martinis. You could even get Connery to play the new M and hint (but never explicitly state) that he’s the original James Bond and that this new Jane Bond is the result of one of his countless sexual escapades (or more likely his granddaughter). Connery and Zeta Jones had great chemistry in Entrapment, but I’d love to see a more paternal side to it (not to mention the delicious irony of an older Bond trying reel in the maverick new 007 ). The Apocryphal Never Say Never Again first introduced us to an aging 007 (with Connery as the star no less) and I think it’s a cool angle to follow up on. Though some hardcore fans might hate this revolutionary new approach, I (as a hardcore Bond fan myself) would love it. It would really inject some life into an admittedly aging franchise. The same old politically incorrect Bond archetype, just applied to a women instead. I think it has great potential. Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
If we are going to have a female Bond, we might as well have Robbie Williams. For that matter, we might as well just stop the Bond series and make a new movie. Bond is a man, and masculinity is absolutely the most central charateristic of his character, his entire life revolves around being a man. and a manly man at that.
Russel Crowe could be a really good Bond, but he doesn't look right, so I think he's out...it's gonna have to be a new (unknown) actor...I don't think any of the current crop are credible...
however, I think Connery's Bond (great as he was) was too sensitive. Bond was a man's man, not a ladies' man.
Also I thought he was a bit serious, not boyish enough, when the image I have of Bond is a boy with toys...he doesn't know how silly he seems, but Connery did. Connery was a bit too knowing, a bit arch for me.
anyway, no flames please, you all seem to appreciate Brosnan enough not to get silly about me liking his Bond better than Connery's...
Russel Crowe could be a really good Bond, but he doesn't look right, so I think he's out...it's gonna have to be a new (unknown) actor...I don't think any of the current crop are credible...
however, I think Connery's Bond (great as he was) was too sensitive. Bond was a man's man, not a ladies' man.
Also I thought he was a bit serious, not boyish enough, when the image I have of Bond is a boy with toys...he doesn't know how silly he seems, but Connery did. Connery was a bit too knowing, a bit arch for me.
anyway, no flames please, you all seem to appreciate Brosnan enough not to get silly about me liking his Bond better than Connery's...
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That's one of the reasons why I think having Connery as M would be great. We'd still have that masculinity in the series. But saying Bond is quintessentially masculine is being dishonest to one's self. IMHO no Bond since Connery has had that quality.Originally posted by frogus
If we are going to have a female Bond, we might as well have Robbie Williams. For that matter, we might as well just stop the Bond series and make a new movie. Bond is a man, and masculinity is absolutely the most central charateristic of his character, his entire life revolves around being a man. and a manly man at that.
Sensitive?!Originally posted by frogus
however, I think Connery's Bond (great as he was) was too sensitive. Bond was a man's man, not a ladies' man.
Also I thought he was a bit serious, not boyish enough, when the image I have of Bond is a boy with toys...he doesn't know how silly he seems, but Connery did. Connery was a bit too knowing, a bit arch for me.
No offense intended, but how the heck can you see Connery’s Bond as sensitive? I’ve never seen any Bond b!tch slap as many women as he routinely did. 
The Bond of the Ian Fleming's novels was a cold-blooded professional. While Dalton's Bond is closer to this humorless original, Connery's Bond better captures the ruthlessness essential (IMO) to the character. No flames. We're all entitled to an opinion.Originally posted by frogus
anyway, no flames please, you all seem to appreciate Brosnan enough not to get silly about me liking his Bond better than Connery's...
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Her early leaf’s a flower;
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So Eden sank to grief,
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Nothing gold can stay.
Her hardest hue to hold.
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Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
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Connery is indeed a Scotsman, originally from Glasgow. I also like Connery absolutely best as Bond, although I like Brosnan too.Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield
Isn't Connery Scottish?
Anyway, Connery is the best Bond hands down. I especially like Goldfinger, Thunderball, and You only Live Twice.
Regarding a new Bond, I totally agree with Kayless, I think it would be great to have Sean Connery as Bond and a new female Bond. Brosnan has modernised Bond in making him a less cold-blooded and less sterotype chauvistic. Still, this angle has now IMO been expored enough, a new injection is certainly needed so why not something dramatic, as a female Bond?
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LMAOOriginally posted by Kayless
But of corsh. Connery's British acshent wassh exshceptional.
Connery gives a tough guy touch on Bond, Moore add a classy touch on Bond (Don't believe me ? See how his suit never got wrinkle after any fights ), While Brosnan simply combine them (Not to mention he's got the experience on "Remington Steelee") BTW cheershh, Kaylesssh & Gecko
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Sarcasm, my dear boy. Sarcasm.Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield
Isn't Connery Scottish?
Fun fact: Though his family is French, Christopher Lambert (i.e. What's His Face) was actually born in New York but raised in Switzerland and didn't move to Paris until he was 16. For Highlander he worked with a voice coach to develope an "unspecifically foreign accent." As for Connery; playing an ancient Egytian turned Spainyard in a movie about a Scotish character was just odd (though he played the role masterfully).Originally posted by frogus
LOL sorry to spam up my own thread, but this brings back memories of that bit in Highlander where Whats-His-Face the french bloke is playing a Scottish bloke, and Sean Connery's playing a Spanish bloke...phew!
Only Bond can sneak into a facility wearing a wetsuit then be in a tux drinking vodka martinis less than five minutes later.Originally posted by KidD01
Connery gives a tough guy touch on Bond, Moore add a classy touch on Bond (Don't believe me ? See how his suit never got wrinkle after any fights
Good to know there's some support for this concept.Originally posted by C Elegans
Regarding a new Bond, I totally agree with Kayless, I think it would be great to have Sean Connery as Bond and a new female Bond. Brosnan has modernised Bond in making him a less cold-blooded and less sterotype chauvistic. Still, this angle has now IMO been expored enough, a new injection is certainly needed so why not something dramatic, as a female Bond?
Nature’s first green is gold,
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
Her hardest hue to hold.
Her early leaf’s a flower;
But only so an hour.
Then leaf subsides to leaf.
So Eden sank to grief,
So dawn goes down to day.
Nothing gold can stay.
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Hey, don'tcha know Connery is such a good actor, he can play any role convincingly with a Scottish accent.As for Connery; playing an ancient Egytian turned Spainyard in a movie about a Scotish character was just odd (though he played the role masterfully).
Even the king of England (pre-Stuart, that is )...*choke* What?!?Connery and Zeta Jones had great chemistry in Entrapment
You must have been watching a different movie to me... Personally I think having a female Bond would defeat the whole point. You want a female secret agent character, then sure, create a new series featuring one. But turning Bond into a woman? Blashphemy!
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