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well I know Nips posted a very very similar topic a while ago, but I am in dire need of some inspiration. I need to think of two books, one from before 1900 and one since, which I am to [winey schoolgirl voice]'compare and contrast'. They must have some sort of common element, and I will have to examine how each of the authors from their different time period deals with that element:

Example - the themes of obsession and the sea in 'Moby D!ck' and 'The Old Man And The Sea'...

and if you can't think of anything, just remember that my education depends on this and if you can't come up with a good idea I will end up homeless and unable to support my huge family of 12, oh woe...

thankyou all for any good help... :)
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Details! Details! Are your choices restricted to American and English (Irish, Scottish) authors? How many pages are you willing to read? Do you favour any particular writers, or period of writing (ie. Industrial Revolution, WWI and WW2) ? What about poetry and poetics? Can you compare and contrast just about any theme you care to think up? How long does your essay have to be? When is the due date?
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Off hand,

Compare and contrast:

1. David Copperfield by Charles ****ens and Portrait of a Young Man by James Joyce

2. Call of the Wild by Jack London and Lord of the Flies by William Golding or Moby **** by Herman Melville.

3. The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain and Gone with the Wind by Margaret Mitchell or Of Human Bondage by Somerset Maugham.

4. Jane Eyre by Charlotte Bronte and The Great Gatsby by F Scott Fitzgerald.

5. Call of the Wild by Jack London and The Sun also rises by Ernest Hemingway.

I leave the critique and analysis to your better judgment. :)

EDIT I spelt it as Charles D-i-c-k-e-n-s and the name got caught by the filter LOL :) No prizes for Moby's last name :D :D :D
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Camparisons of society, both future and present in Robert Heinleins Starship Troopers, and Animal Farm (can't remember author)
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George Orwell, @Aegis.

Orwell's 1984, and Huxley's Brave New World. Two views of a futuristic, monolithic society where Big Brother sees and controls all, and the individual is a cog to be manipulated for good or ill.
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Details! Details! Are your choices restricted to American and English (Irish, Scottish) authors? How many pages are you willing to read? Do you favour any particular writers, or period of writing (ie. Industrial Revolution, WWI and WW2) ? What about poetry and poetics? Can you compare and contrast just about any theme you care to think up? How long does your essay have to be? When is the due date?
I can do authors from any country, although I cannot read any languages apart from French well enough to read a book in them, and even French is stretching it a little...No poetry allowed, no non-fiction, just novels. Any theme at all, essay must be about 3-5000 words...can't remember a due date... LOL I will read pretty much any length, but not any length. A friend suggested I compare Ullyses to The Illiad(sp?)...
Call of the Wild by Jack London and Lord of the Flies by William Golding or Moby **** by Herman Melville.
I've already read LoTF and Moby D!ck, what's Call of the Wild?
I've not read Starship Troopers, and am not a massive Sci-Fi fan, but have read some other Heinlein...isn't Door Into Summer nice?

@Fable, what's Brave New World?
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Originally posted by frogus
<SNIP> and if you can't think of anything, just remember that my education depends on this and if you can't come up with a good idea I will end up homeless and unable to support my huge family of 12, oh woe...
Something as serious as this deserves a little more help. ;)

I did a major in philosophy, a minor in literature and spent too much time (for my liking) in reading. :eek:

Whichever books you choose, it will be extremely advantageous to pick on themes that you like/ are interested/comfortable in, eg. politics, slavery, social systems to name a few. I initially wanted to mention Ulysses, but it's way too difficult to make any sane comparison with any classic. ;)

After you have done that, pick authors that are universally reconised by examiners in both the classics and contemporary lit. Hence, Joan Collins, Sidney Sheldon and Irving Wallace (pulp fiction writers) won't make the grade; William Faulkner, John Steinbeck and Upton Sinclair (pulitzer prize winners) would. You will then need to elaborate on the criteria specified by the examiners, eg compare/contrast, draw inferences, poetic license, etc.

What they usually look out for are originality, clarity of thought in presenting your arguments for or against, the ability to draw on materials from other books (this is a sure winner), inferences and implications by the authors in certain passages (yes, you need to memorise passages to earn high marks), how you link your arguments into a persuasive and coherent whole.

Length of essay must be at least 10 pages of double sided A4 size fool scap paper to be of any consideration. I don't want to crap too much, so to summarize: -

1) Answer the question! Don't go out of point.
2) Produce a coherent and clear argument and analysis
3) Reveal knowledge, reading and evidence
4) Demonstrate a critical ability
5) Write lucidly with good spelling, puntuation and syntax
6) Provide clear frameworks, structures, and signposts

Which will hopefully show the following: -

1. Unusually wide reading, an original and refreshing argument, something which surprises in the depth of analysis, knowledge and understanding.
2. Clearly written, well structured and signposted. Originality: understanding of a wide range of literature or, if essay calls for more detailed analysis of limited literature then a very thorough understanding of this. Evidence of reflection and own analysis of the literature together with an ability to see how lessons learned could be applied to other contexts/examples
3. Goes beyond requirements of question in display of creativity, unusual lines of argument that are well backed up. Displays very sophisticated theoretical analysis.
4. originality and wider referencing to debates.
5. Showing originality of thought.
Originality; lucid critical evaluation of wide range of material; may make reference to other relevant issues.
Originality, creativity and comprehensive coverage of issues in relation to question, good presentation and exposition.
6. Displaying 'flair' in some respect. Impressively wide reading and or analytical skills. Very strong relevant structure to writing with clear, typically novel, clearly original slant/and conclusion.
7. Good coverage of literature; original argument; well structured, well written

Meanwhile, I will pray that you don't have to go homeless.


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Good Lord!! The family of 12 was a joke. It's not that serious. I have not yet given birth to anything, not have I ever had a job or a house. Don't worry. Thankyou all for suggestions anyway... :)
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It would also be interesting to compare and contrast nineteenth century realism in novels by Thomas Hardy (Britain) and Emile Zola (France).
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On a related topic, can anyone refer me to a good first-person book? I need one for english. :cool:
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i like fables two books, 1984 and brave new world, i really liked both of them.
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@Fable, what's Brave New World?

Huxley's vision of a Big Brother future, with a young man who is raised outside the City by a tribe of primitives. He returns to the city because his mother was from there, and quotes Shakespeare's Tempest in referring to its mechanized wonders as "O Brave New World..." But the New World comes with a hefty price tag. The young man is both an individual and self-actuating, while the people of the city (and the vast number of humankind) are used to having everything given to them, without any responsibility or work. His alternative seems dangerously attractive, so the rulers use propaganda, editing footage of him, to make him seem like a buffoon.

Orwell's 1984 is more stark--it's truly a work of horror, IMO. But Huxley's vision is perhaps more disturbing, the more you think about it.
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@ Gaxx. Catcher in the Rye is one of my favourites.

One compare and contrast I did where I had to combine something written long ago to something relatively recent (modern classic) I did beowulf and Catcher in the Rye, where I C+C'd the 2 protaganists in the stories, about how they both cared for other people more than what happened to themselves, and about the challenges the faced, Beowulf emotional, Holden's emotional and mental. Comparing stradalater (fable help on the spelling) to Grendal was fun!
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I found Conrad's Heart of Darkness to be a good 1st-person novel. It's also part of the Canon, so you shouldn't have any problems with it being a "valid" choice of novel.
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isn't apocolypse now based on heart of darkness? sidenote: both charlie sheen and his father were in apocolypse now, it was actually charlie sheen's first movie, he was an extra.
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Yep, Apocalypse Now was based upon Heart of Darkness. I hear they're bringing out the digitally remastered version in the not-too-distant future.
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Watch it, George Orwell wrote in the 1930's and 40's (he fought in the Spanish Civil War - read "Homage to Catalonia").

Getting and reading a pre-1900 book to compare with a more modern one is a bit iffy.

I would say comparing a 1890's book to a 1920's or 30's book and then with a 1980's or 1990's book would give you completely different perspectives.

Whatever you pick, Frogus, be mindful of Historical events.

You could try "Red Badge of Courage" (pre-1900 I think) and "Homage to Catolonia" - both experiences of Civil War, one real, one novel. Both are *very* different.
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It is a long time since I did E Lit, but the book that had the most impact on me (and it is first person) was 'A Day In The Life Of Ivan Disinovic' by Solsinitzin (not sure of the spelling). It is quite short, but very powerful. And examiners should all be familiar with the author.
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Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
Yep, Apocalypse Now was based upon Heart of Darkness. I hear they're bringing out the digitally remastered version in the not-too-distant future.
Heart of Darkness is well worth reading. It's more hard-core than Apocalypse Now--when you read it, try to imagine making a movie of it. I think it would be too much for most people. It's a pretty realistic depiction of the horrific treatment of people in the Congo. He's a 19th century guy, not a modern thinker, but he was repelled by what he saw in his journey's there and he did not hold back describing the situation.

On a related note, it would be interesting to compare and contrast Heart of Darkness and The Mosquito Coast by Paul Theroux (if that would be an acceptable choice).
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Yup, Apoc. Now is based on HoD. I personnaly found the book much more intense...
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