pets vs. children

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 2:02 am

Originally posted by Kayless

My family used to have a malamute with a smattering of wolf in him (not all that uncommon in Alaska). The pup was fricking huge (well over a hundred pounds) but the sweetest dog you’d ever see. People were often scared by his sheer size, not knowing how gentle he was. He loved to be petted and would nudge your hand if you stopped. He didn't seem to know his own strength though, and could play a bit rough. He would frequently jump on his back legs and push my brothers and I, sending us forcibly to the ground. *Sigh* I miss that dog...

I had a dog that was kinda like that, though different breed-mix I think. He was only a month or two old and already at least 2½-3 feet tall. We had to get rid of him because he was too playful. He could easily knock my dad(6' tall; 200+lbs) down. I loved him and he was fun to play with, but I was also afraid of him.

Aragorn Returns · Post by **Aragorn Returns** » Mon Apr 01, 2002 7:35 pm

sad but true, not all dogs are like your dogs. i doubt you can expect all dogs to hold it while on an airplane, i guess you could have dog diapers if you wanted.
see the thing is, it doesn't matter how friendly all these specific dogs are, it's just that tons of people would be uncomfortable with dogs around. Some dogs would be too hyper and playful, some would crap all over the place, some would set of allergic reactions. What are you going to do? expect the owners to use discretion and not bring their dogs if they can't handle it? ya right.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 2:42 am

Originally posted by Astafas
How about allergies?

I'm allergic to infants.

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 8:59 am

Originally posted by nael
the fuzzy wuzzy pet thread got me going, so i decided to write a separate area for this matter.

here it goes:
why the hell can i not buy my dog a seat on an airplane? some screaming, crying, pooping, pissing, whiny ass kid can ride in a plane and annoy every living soul and the dead ones for that matter. but my dog who would just sit there and would probably actually help calm people down around him, is not allowed. if he were small enough he could go as my carry on, but i would be fully willing to buy him his own ticket if i could.

god it just pisses me off.

thoughts on this, or other reasons why pets are better than children. or why children should be put in kennels and put under the plane?

Are you serious???

So how should parents avoid an infant crying, as we wouldn't want to intrude upon your solitude, in a public place. Maybe you want to take a closer look....infants are HUMAN BEINGS, NOT ANIMALS.

my dog is MUCH more likely to hold it than a stinking baby. my dog and i drove from texas to pennsylvania...a 24 hour drive, 1,500 miles. he never once had an accident. he neve once cried, moaned, or anything. try that same drive with a kid and see how often it screams or forces unscheduled stops for a potty break or doesn't even wait for the break.

How is this relevant to airplane travel? Did you make this trip driving next to someone with a child crying? Did it disturb you?

. i don't think muzzling is a neccessary step, if so, then kids should be as well. at least that would shut them up.

Please tell me I have misunderstood you, and you are joking. I find this highly juvenile and offensive. If you are serious, you have my sympathy, as you have no idea the joy parenthood can bring.

nael · Post by **nael** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 5:33 pm

Originally posted by McBane

Are you serious??? So how should parents avoid an infant crying, as we wouldn't want to intrude upon your solitude, in a public place. Maybe you want to take a closer look....infants are HUMAN BEINGS, NOT ANIMALS.

How is this relevant to airplane travel? Did you make this trip driving next to someone with a child crying? Did it disturb you?

Please tell me I have misunderstood you, and you are joking. I find this highly juvenile and offensive. If you are serious, you have my sympathy, as you have no idea the joy parenthood can bring.

yes, i am serious. i loathe any parent who brings a child to a theatre, plane, anywhere. and your statement about infants being humans and not animals make sa huge assumption that humans are better.

how is it relevant? my dog travels better than a child.

you have not misunderstood me, and save your sympathy. children are annoying parasites.

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Tue Apr 02, 2002 6:03 pm

Originally posted by nael

yes, i am serious. i loathe any parent who brings a child to a theatre, plane, anywhere. and your statement about infants being humans and not animals make sa huge assumption that humans are better.

how is it relevant? my dog travels better than a child.

you have not misunderstood me, and save your sympathy. children are annoying parasites.

1.)Not all children behave that way. I, for one, travelled on a plane when I was a baby and slept the whole time.

2.)Not all animals are as well behaved as your dog supposedly is. I've known lots of dogs that were far more noisy and annoying than any baby I've known, and I've known plenty. In fact, every dog I've known is noisy and annoying. I honestly doubt your dog is any less noisy or annoying.

3.)Animals are not equal to humans, nor are they superior. It is not a huge assumption. It is a fact.

4.)What makes you think a dog would have the same response to riding in a plane as it would in a car? Babies don't. It's a rather huge assumption that animals would.

5.)I find your opinion of children highly offensive, partly because it wasn't long ago that I was a child and I have never been an annoying parasite.

Jace · Post by **Jace** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 3:07 am

I haven't been a child for a looooong time, and I am still an annoying parasite.

I have some sympathy with not liking very young children on planes. I think that it is cruel to the child. Try beening on a long haul from Perth to London (17 hours min) and you will see.

Why the airlines don't have a caged section at the back where they could put dogs and Nael I don't know.

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 4:58 am

Originally posted by Jace
I have some sympathy with not liking very young children on planes. I think that it is cruel to the child. Try beening on a long haul from Perth to London (17 hours min) and you will see.

lol, I've done the Paris equivalent. Certainly pushes your imagination to the limit.

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 8:08 am

@ nael,

Thank you for your enlightening response. I shall now try to keep my child at home at all times, until he is of an age where we do not annoy such individuals as yourself.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 9:25 am

What was your childhood like, nael? Just curious what your views are on yourself as a child.

I can understand your plight/gripe a bit with infants on airplanes. It can be tough to deal with. If it is that bad and you have such a strong opinion, you can always drive instead instead of fly or purchase first class tickets.

Curdis · Post by **Curdis** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 9:19 pm

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
<snip> you can always drive instead instead of fly or purchase first class tickets.

Driving can be tricky between say Australia and New Zealand, or Haiwai's islands. Are you suggesting that first class babies are better behaved? Given that the increased personal space allowed in First Class is not too significant, what would make first class a better option?

Now if I'm not reading incorrectly the title is pets vs. children.

I have a Rottweiler = pets. Who wants to put up children? so we can sort this out wwf style? - Curdis !

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Wed Apr 03, 2002 11:45 pm

curdis,

typically you'll find first class seating free of infants. That's all i meant. It would provide a little added distance on the flight were there to be a problem.

As far as island to island travel goes, if you can't deal with the children in the tight coach of an airplane: travel by boat, stay home, buy your own plane.

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 12:03 am

Originally posted by Ned Flanders
typically you'll find first class seating free of infants. That's all i meant. It would provide a little added distance on the flight were there to be a problem.

Is this going on the assumption that those who have babies generally can't afford to fly first class? If so, then I agree with your reasoning. If not, I am curious as to what you reasoning is, though certainly not in disagreement of your conclusion.

nael · Post by **nael** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:45 am

@McBane - thank you.

as for my childhood, i guess i was the same as any kid for the most part, but crying or screaming or making a scene in public was not an option. my sister and i could do it for a couple seconds and that was it. it's called discipline, somethign severely lacking throughout most of society today.

I agree with the first class statement. both because of the financial reason, but also people who fly first class do so for comfort, relaxation, and free booze. none of which are able to be sought by a parent accompanied with child. unfortunately, i am a government employee so when i fly for business, i have no choice as to where i sit. when i fly for pleasure, i do go first class as much as possible.

@curdis - too funny...LMAO!

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 8:17 am

Originally posted by nael
as for my childhood, i guess i was the same as any kid for the most part, but crying or screaming or making a scene in public was not an option. my sister and i could do it for a couple seconds and that was it. it's called discipline, somethign severely lacking throughout most of society today.

Discipline isn't lacking. Parents nowadays just know better than to beat their kids into submission, or at least, many of them do. Besides, spanking a kid or somesuch ain't gonna get them to be quiet; it certainly never did that to me. The most sure way to shut up a kid that's crying/screaming/making a scene is to pacify them; but a lot of times, that would be bad parenting and teach the kid that crying/screaming/making a scene will get them what they want.

I suggest you get some big headphones and some good country music. Either that or some earplugs and a good book.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 9:18 am

Originally posted by Sailor Saturn

I suggest you get some big headphones and some good country music. Either that or some earplugs and a good book.

I usally start thinking about how those screaming kids will pay my pension and otherwise care for my old days. It helps.

Besides the kids parents does probably suffer twice the pain I do.

Ned Flanders · Post by **Ned Flanders** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 9:44 am

by nael
as for my childhood, i guess i was the same as any kid for the most part, but crying or screaming or making a scene in public was not an option. my sister and i could do it for a couple seconds and that was it. it's called discipline, somethign severely lacking throughout most of society today.

100% agreed. Making a scene was not an option for me either. However, I perceived your post as referring to infants. The noise at that age is pretty unavoidable.

Also 100% agreed on the discipline issue. But that doesn't make the child a noisy parasite. He/she doesn't know any better because of the lack of discipline.

nael · Post by **nael** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:01 pm

Originally posted by Sailor Saturn

Discipline isn't lacking. Parents nowadays just know better than to beat their kids into submission, or at least, many of them do. Besides, spanking a kid or somesuch ain't gonna get them to be quiet; it certainly never did that to me. The most sure way to shut up a kid that's crying/screaming/making a scene is to pacify them; but a lot of times, that would be bad parenting and teach the kid that crying/screaming/making a scene will get them what they want.

I suggest you get some big headphones and some good country music. Either that or some earplugs and a good book.

I wasn't even talking about beatings...well, not only beatings. the 80's brought about this strange PC era where a parent is now supposed to be friends and equals with their children. political correctness is the downfall of society. these kids grow up and realize that they are losers, and that even though everyone was a winner at T-Ball, he's a loser now. they grow ever more frustrated with life and go out and commit murder.

@ned - my rants have kind of jumped all over the place to apply to various stages of development

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:17 pm

Originally posted by nael
I wasn't even talking about beatings...well, not only beatings. the 80's brought about this strange PC era where a parent is now supposed to be friends and equals with their children. political correctness is the downfall of society. these kids grow up and realize that they are losers, and that even though everyone was a winner at T-Ball, he's a loser now. they grow ever more frustrated with life and go out and commit murder.

I disagree completely. Spankings never did anything to prevent me from disobeying my 'rents. Children and 'rents are not equal, but friends they should be. Your comment that kids raised like that are losers is total BS. My parents are my friends, and I am not a loser. Dumb arrogant *****, perhaps, but not a loser.

Witch King · Post by **Witch King** » Thu Apr 04, 2002 5:22 pm

Don't forget the animal abuse

What about spanking your dog?