Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>Just a small question for intersts sake, how much do you actually know about English heritage and history?
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At99,England is not Britain!! (Americans dont seem to clear on this point VIV)
Dont you think my topics are more entertaining than SPAM ?Originally posted by average joe:
<STRONG>@ at99
Perhaps you haven't figured out that you've gone past a point of offensiveness, and, as a result, no one is going to take you very seriously. Stop being so obnoxious and condescending with your posts....no one appreciates it.</STRONG>
Originally posted by Vivien:
<STRONG>At99,England is not Britain!! (Americans dont seem to clear on this point VIV)
Is the 'VIV' here supposed to make me feel ashamed that I don't know WHAT YOU THINK I SHOULD? It must be because I tried to add humor...or wait ! It's because I asked you to STOP BEING NEGATIVE!! That must be it.
You are not nice and I say this now. If I get kicked off of GameBanshee for saying this I DON'T CARE.
Viv</STRONG>
Originally posted by at99:
<STRONG>I said it with a smirk on my face as a friendly 'cmon get with it'</STRONG>
I think a fairer comparison would be <insert name of any random American state here> and America. My point being that England and Britain are not, as you seem to imply, entirely separate countries. England is part of Britain.Originally posted by at99:
<STRONG>A lot of responses seem fixed on the idea that Britain and England are the same . I could not convinve people that the 2 are different. How would Americans like if we said Canadians and Mexicans are exactly the same as Americans?</STRONG>
If I may venture to attempt an explanation... What you are saying is that Celtic mythology is plentiful, but English mythology is not. What Ysh is pointing out (I think - correct me if I'm wrong Ysh) is that "Celtic" mythology is partly English - as demonstrated by the situation of parts of Arthurian (Celtic) legend in areas of modern-day England. (Incidentally, since most of this mythology is older than England as a country, it would be anachronistic to describe the mythology as English. England didn't even exist at the time that the mythology originated, although it did cover the area that would later become England.)<STRONG>You seem to have a thing with King Arthur. What is your point that he was English? English culture is rich in mythology? Britain is really England?</STRONG>
I haven't read anything implying that anyone posting here has found this implied lack of English mythology offensive. What I see is that some people have tried to show that there was not as much of a lack as you state.<STRONG>Tolkein saw shotcomings in his own culture and I (and many other people outside England) see the same , why is it offensive?</STRONG>
LMAO!! - Well....England has me, Georgi, Gruntboy and Nippy for starters (off the top of my head)Posted by Omar -
LMAO, why Tolkien ever bothered to write his books when England already has so much
and as we all know - Gruntboy is a stand alone legend I am not sure I understand what you are saying here at99, did I make any reference to Americans?Posted by at99 -
As for Yshania's arguments I dont understand you (except for maybe history naive Americans)
And from where do you draw this conclusion? Do English people generally get defensive in your experience, or do you consider that your harping on about England, generally finds people defensive in your company?England is a great rational minded country which has done many good things but it does appear English ego's are hurt by its history.
This is a generalisation.English mythology is not very vast and its history of a country is relatively short . I cant help these facts. People want to believe the culture is complete in every respect.
*laughs*You seem to have a thing with King Arthur. What is your point that he was English? English culture is rich in mythology? Britain is really England?
I have a thing about King Arthur I was not the one who originally brought up the subject of King Arthur in other threads as an example of what is considered to be English legend not being. My post in this thread pointed out - in detail - that the King Arthur we hear of is actually the tales of many King Arthurs of Breton, Wales, Scotland AND England. I didn't ralise I was being unclear - did you read my posts? as you demand we read yours?Would you like to explain yourself clearly on these points.
Exactly!Posted by Mr Sleep -
we can only speculate through works written by others and letters by him, which are all centered around interpretation.
Hmmm...I noticed this too - and posted itPosted by GTTV -
The "of the quality" bit is a lot more important then the "none" bit.
Hear hear!I haven't read anything implying that anyone posting here has found this implied lack of English mythology offensive. What I see is that some people have tried to show that there was not as much of a lack as you state.
can help convey that. When in doubt, use 'em.
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Look at it from my point of view. A lot of responses seem fixed on the idea that Britain and England are the same . I could not convinve people that the 2 are different. How would Americans like if we said Canadians and Mexicans are exactly the same as Americans? Would you argue back?
.....)the three countries have autonomous national governments.....
In a word, no.Originally posted by at99:
<STRONG>Dont you think my topics are more entertaining than SPAM ?</STRONG>
Originally posted by @99:
[/QB]Look at it from my point of view. A lot of responses seem fixed on the idea that Britain and England are the same . I could not convinve people that the 2 are different. How would Americans like if we said Canadians and Mexicans are exactly the same as Americans? Would you argue back?[/QB]
Another invalidity in what @99 said is that, in all technicallity, anyone from North America, Central America, or South America could be accurately called an American.Originally posted by dragon wench:
<STRONG>Georgi is right, this is an invalid comparison......
To refresh your knowledge of geography, Canada, the United States, and Mexico are separate countries. In order to pass from one into the other you are required to cross a border, each nation has its own currency, and (at least in theory....
Though some businesses/places in the UK do accept the Euro, we have yet to transfer. So in the UK we still spend Sterling. Hmmm...wonders whether this will draw criticism...note: regarding currency, I am speaking from a somewhat historical perspective, that is, prior to the introduction of the integrated European currency.
Yeah but USAn doesn't sound right.Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>Another invalidity in what @99 said is that, in all technicallity, anyone from North America, Central America, or South America could be accurately called an American.
Yeah i said something like that. Mordor represented these mines that were located somewhere near where Tolkein lived, or so.Originally posted by dragon wench:
<STRONG>There is also a body of evidence that suggests Tolkien, like numerous other writers, was lashing out against the effects of the Industrial Revolution. The pastoral idyll represented by the Shire certainly supports this view, and as somebody else pointed out in another thread, anything mechanized in LOTR is depicted as intrinsically evil....</STRONG>
