I would not want that - I can take care of my own emailsOriginally posted by Silur:
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A quick question regarding viruses - would you feel safer if your ISP were to filter your mail for viruses before delivery? If so, would you want the file (or whatever) delivered with a *huge* warning or just deleted with a notification?</STRONG>
). It still checks for all windows-based viruses, macroviruses, etc and cleans them out exactly like the the Windows GUI version. It's available somewhere at [url="http://www.fsecure.com"]Fsecure's[/url] site.
I don't want, nor need, that. I rarely check my email and when I do, I ignore at least half the emails.Originally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>A quick question regarding viruses - would you feel safer if your ISP were to filter your mail for viruses before delivery? If so, would you want the file (or whatever) delivered with a *huge* warning or just deleted with a notification?</STRONG>
I take it you're not running OutlookOriginally posted by Xandax:
<STRONG>I would not want that - I can take care of my own emails
. I think the problems are that 1) The ISP won't guarantee anything, and 2) people will lean back feeling secure. Advantages are that you'd limit the scope (spread) of a virus quicker and you would somewhat limit the number of infections for those not currently taking apropriate measures.The day ISP's can filter mails for relevance, I'll be happy. Drop everything that isn't interesting or importantOriginally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>I don't want, nor need, that. I rarely check my email and when I do, I ignore at least half the emails.
The manual filter that does this today tends to work up stress and aggression, which in the long run isn't good for it's health...I know that many corporate mailservers are configured that way. The ISP's have been reluctant, since it does require quite a few extra I/O and CPU cycles for each mail. If an ISP were to implement such a feature, they would never send a notification back to the sender, because of the obvious DoS (denial of service) implications. Every system in existence where you can send x data and amplify it to 2*x data have been used to wreck havoc on the net.Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>I used to be on a server that scanned for viruses, if it found one it deleted it and sent a mail to both parties saying that the mail was infected, the only problem was that it required one to have a firm grasp of what the process was, quite often a customer would think we had infected them with a virus even though it was the other way around purely because the way the warning was sent.
Man, you are braveOriginally posted by Xandax:
<STRONG>Well actually - that is what I'm running
M$ have taken "active payload" a bit too far... even javascript in the subject line gets executed. I get really suspicious of programs that run scriptcode automatically (even before the mail is opened, mind you) without asking me first.and we wouldn't want thatOriginally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>Every system in existence where you can send x data and amplify it to 2*x data have been used to wreck havoc on the net.</STRONG>
To be honest the web is mostly in a shambles anyway, every server experiences hacks or downtime.One can click on the propertes of that mail, go to message source and then read the body of that email, that way it is not able to run the VB code necessary to infect your machine.Originally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>Man, you are brave
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Also one should always remove the preview pane, that way the email is not automatically opened when one clicks on it All my downtime these last few years have been because of disk failureOriginally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>and we wouldn't want that
Haven't been hacked once, although a system I was partly responsible for got hacked 4 years ago because some brilliant user exported a disk world writeable...My current client has gone all emotional in the decisionmaking layer, and decided to replace all M$-based systems with u*ix. Not that I mind, being a u*ix devotee, but I really hate it when decisions aren't based on facts - it usually backfires in the long run. Personally, I'm pragmatic (read old<STRONG>The problem is one has to account for the uneducated user, the user who doesn't know how a virus propogates, not least the resources to remove taht virus, my company has clients that is has taken about 2 years to train not to open the email then ring us and ask why there machine is doing 'strange' things. They ring us first, then we make the decision. </STRONG>
) enough to realize that you can't entirely eradicate M$ from your computing environment (yet... )Well, Sircam and Nimda pretty much blew "don't open suspicious emails" out of the water as a protection mechanism... I'm voting for the return of textbased, non-executable, non-mime-multipart-multimedia-enhanced mail with ascii art and non-graphic-enhanced smilies 8-\.<STRONG>Another major problem is that in companies enmployees can quite often not differentiate a work machine with a home one, so they are accepting all manner of jokes and unecessary files into their mail boxes without accounting for the 1000's that could be lost if they get infected with a virus.</STRONG>
Well my anti-virus takes care of that problemOriginally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>Man, you are brave
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True they did, but they are two out of many thousandsOriginally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>Well, Sircam and Nimda pretty much blew "don't open suspicious emails" out of the water as a protection mechanism... I'm voting for the return of textbased, non-executable, non-mime-multipart-multimedia-enhanced mail with ascii art and non-graphic-enhanced smilies 8-\.</STRONG>
Although i do like graphic smilies Seeyah, enjoy *smurk* work<STRONG>Speaking of work, maybe I'd better go there... _very_ quickly! Spamming is dangerous, losing track of time... and space. Or, as they said in the bad, old days, L8r
It only takes one. It isn't a statistical matterOriginally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>True they did, but they are two out of many thousands </STRONG>
Ok, you get graphical smilies as long as you vote for me. Hey wait, what's wrong with this picture? Did I just turn into a politician?<STRONG>
Well youv'e got my vote Although i do like graphic smilies </STRONG>
By sheer coincidence, a key person couldn't make it to the meeting, so it got cancelled<STRONG>Seeyah, enjoy *smurk* work
. I guess I'll just get on with my loitering here...Armed to the teeth, I see. Well, unless you're a particularly interesting target, you're pretty safe and vile hacker will go on to simpler targets and more unsuspecting hunting groundsOriginally posted by Xandax:
<STRONG>Well my anti-virus takes care of that problem
Just as long as I'm not in the "first wave" of an virus-strike, I should be okay.
I've got both a firewall for thoese nasty trojan vira and hacker attemp and anti-virus for thoese nasty email-vira
I bet yo uare just so annoied you couldn't waste time in that meetingOriginally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>By sheer coincidence, a key person couldn't make it to the meeting, so it got cancelled
Perhaps you can go up against Weasel in the upcoming electionsOriginally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>Ok, you get graphical smilies as long as you vote for me. Hey wait, what's wrong with this picture? Did I just turn into a politician?
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Yepp. But that only describes the normal run of things. I work for a government agencyOriginally posted by Mr Sleep:
<STRONG>I bet yo uare just so annoied you couldn't waste time in that meeting
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Meetings - the practical alternative to work
Nah, I have no yearning for power. I just want to build a high, round tower in some desolate area and do some arcane experiments.<STRONG>Perhaps you can go up against Weasel in the upcoming elections </STRONG>
LOLOriginally posted by Silur:
<STRONG>Doing a quick estimate, by not holding that meeting, we saved some $1000 - that is, 6 people, all consultants, two hours... I should get a tax deduction </STRONG>
Consultants, the name for a job where you can't be bothered to give your profession a name The dream of every (meglomanical) man<STRONG>
Nah, I have no yearning for power. I just want to build a high, round tower in some desolate area and do some arcane experiments.</STRONG>
Although i think Waverly achieved this dream for a few months 
