The truth about the history of England , America

at99 · Post by **at99** » Wed Jun 20, 2001 9:17 pm

The topic I posted was about Anomens annoying personality (in bg2 forum)and had nothing to do with his accent (which I actually like).
This accent thing seems to have hit a nerve with people and that has probably something to do with wanting to be historically corect for added effect. Even though this is a fantasy game it is set in a known time period.

Wheres the celtic accents? Most mythology in this Game is based on the Celtic culture who are NOT English. England was not a country in the middle ages but a series of Kingdoms who tried to genocide the Celts (before Celts could kill themselves). England has no mythology of its own and this include King Arthur.

English accents back in those days would probably have a more German feel about it since the English were from Germany and English is liguistically a Germanic language. The word England comes from Angle- land (Angles are a german tribe) Angles and Saxons are 2 German tribes (anglo-saxon) Other lesser Germanic tribes invaded England (yes even Normans who were orginally germainic).
There were people in England before Middle Ages eg Romans Celts,picts,scots,brittans but were merged in the invasions or were pushed out of England.

Initially Americans were from Germany, England and Ireland (largely germanic). The USA accent is full of German overtones and so is the culture. Anericans are actually an offshoot of the Parent country Germany. Canada is similar but a bit more Celtic generally speaking.

I am not insulting anyone but merely pointing out poorly known facts. My Australian history is worse than anyones.

ps My dad is actually writing a book on this

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Shadowstrider · Post by **Shadowstrider** » Wed Jun 20, 2001 9:32 pm

and all of that comes from Latin.

Pueri sub arbore sedet.

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 12:39 am

which was started because cavemen/women didn't have spam.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 1:56 am

Originally posted by Weasel:
which was started because cavemen/women didn't have spam.

Well I thought they did - cavewallspam

Gruntboy · Post by **Gruntboy** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 2:44 am

Cavewallspam? ROFLMAO

at99 - please don't post racist cr*p like this. Its people like you who claim to know history and use it to back up their skewed PoV that start wars and commit genocide.

The mythology in the game is not celtic. Where's your proof? England was not a country? "The Celts" certainly weren't. England was certainly an identifiable country by the time of Agincourt (1415). Genocide? No one in those times would know what you were talking about. England has no mythology of its own? St George and the Dragon. English would have sounded German? Proof again please. English is indeed "Germanic" but as Shadowstrider states, German has its origins in Latin - get your origins correct. All those invading "Germanic" tribes (Huns, Goths etc.) came out of Central Asia first. The Normans were mixed Viking and Francs.

Britain *is* multi-ethnic and multi-cultural (like America and Canada). What is your point/problem? I would have thought this was something to be proud of - not subject to attack (which your aggressive stance plainly is). Why choose to trace your geaneology back to Germany and end there? If you want to get pedantic, we all came out of Africa (though not the part we once thought

).

If America and Canada are "German" why didn't they fight Germany for their independence. How come they speak English? Sheesh. You are ascribing national characteristics to groups of people who, originally nomadic, have emmigrated across the globe for *thousands* of years. They are no the same people any more.

You *are* insulting people. Your "facts" are indeed *poorly known*. I hope your Dad's book is better than your argument here.

That kind of Nationalism is evil.

Oh, one more thing. Bite me.

[ 06-21-2001: Message edited by: Gruntboy ]

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 3:28 am

Originally posted by at99:
England has no mythology of its own and this include King Arthur.

I agree with GB, this is misinformed propoganda. Why not post some references so I can properly debunk them? Until such time, lets just say this is a pile of ofal.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 5:03 am

The only link to Celts is the Druids. Which are based in the main part on the beleif of the celts at the time.

The only drawback to ethnic diversity is the religious and ethical differences that can cause conflict when placed in a 'close' environment.

How does one carbon date spam

Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 8:53 am

Originally posted by Waverly:
I agree with GB, this is misinformed propoganda. Why not post some references so I can properly debunk them? Until such time, lets just say this is a pile of ofal.

[url="http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/DavidDale1/Hisco.htm"]Try this one[/url]

Cheers....

Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 9:10 am

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:

How does one carbon date spam

In a very hot skillet???

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 9:22 am

Originally posted by at99:
Even though this is a fantasy game it is set in a known time period.

No. It is set in a fantasy land with no direct correlation to any earthly historical time period. The elves could be running around talking like surfer-dudes for all it would matter. It’s a fantasy. Its not real.

Originally posted by at99:
England was not a country in the middle ages... England has no mythology of its own and this include King Arthur.

Gruntboy is SO right. You are SO wrong. You should bite him.

Originally posted by at99:
Initially Americans were from Germany, England and Ireland

Actually, Americans were originally Native Americans who may have had their roots in Asia, Mongolia, Polynesia, or even the Ainu. Later, Europeans entered the fray including the English, but lets not forget the massive numbers of Spanish and French who came and stayed in North America.

Originally posted by Gruntboy:
English is indeed "Germanic" but as Shadowstrider states, German has its origins in Latin - get your origins correct.

I thought, and I may be wrong, Germanic and Latin languages split from Indo-European fairly early on, and that Germanic languages are not considered derivative of Latin Languages.

Originally posted by Mr Sleep:
How does one carbon date spam

It may be possible to date prehistoric cave-spam, using Accelerator Mass Spectrometry Radiometric dating of bits of carbon in the paint itself. This, however, would be destructive to the spam. Cation-Ration [(K + Ca)/Ti] dating may be used to date the rock varnish (patina) on which the spam was drawn, though this is a questionable method. The best way to date cave spam is to bring it some flowers and a nice box of chocolates.

[ 06-21-2001: Message edited by: Gwalchmai ]

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 9:26 am

Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<snip> The best way to date cave spam is to bring it some flowers and a nice box of chocolates.

OMG - this actually might work - although I would also bring a nice wine (or champange)

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 10:29 am

AT99 writes:
Even though this is a fantasy game it is set in a known time period.

Such as...? Like most RPGs, this one is set in an indefinite pseudo-medieval Western European place and time. It's just casually formed out of the cliches that have developed from recent fantasy fiction, and bears no resemblance to any "known" anything. Making allowances for all the obvious fantasy differences, the Middle Ages were still nothing like any of the games of the market, including BG2.

Waverly · Post by **Waverly** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 10:40 am

Anatares: That link was provided for what reason? I am well aware of these ethnic groups and their contributions to the British Isles. I see no support for such statements as:

… a series of Kingdoms who tried to genocide the Celts (before Celts could kill themselves).

First off ‘genocide’ is not a verb. But grammar aside, this word is out of place. Of course wars were waged, and waves of ethnic groups attempted to seize power throughout history, but I see no evidence of systematic extermination of the type this term implies. I also find the ‘Celts could kill themselves’ comment to be somewhat offensive, suggesting that these people are have a higher predilection for violence than normal.

England has no mythology of its own and this include King Arthur.

I know of no culture that did not borrow from and build upon the work of earlier cultures, but to make such a sweeping generalization is rubbish. I suppose the Romans likewise had no mythology because they borrowed their pantheon form the Greeks?

Anericans are actually an offshoot of the Parent country Germany. Canada is similar but a bit more Celtic generally speaking

Do I even need to address this statement

Maybe you could explain yourself a bit better. The winking smilie isn’t telling me much.

KramoR · Post by **KramoR** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 10:50 am

Looks to me that somebody, flunked all their history courses.

There are some that will say we came from primates and some will say we are from Adam and Eve.

So, the first language was either grunting or ancient Hebrew or latin.

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:03 am

Fortunately, I can speak a little Paleolithic Grunt. I can tell you that it bears no resemblance to either German or Latin.

KramoR · Post by **KramoR** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:10 am

The way I see things, we all came from Ireland or Scotland.

Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 11:26 am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Waverly:
Anatares: That link was provided for what reason? I am well aware of these ethnic groups and their contributions to the British Isles. 

Sorry, I just posted it for fun.....

And as a possible source for ammo to debunk '99. My mistake.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 12:20 pm

@at99: what is wrong with you. You come barging being racist. What the hell do you mean by saying England wasn't a country? The Normans conquered it and slowly took control of Britain. You say the Normans were germanic? But in that way everybodies the same.(something people just don't seem to understand). The Normans might have descended from the Germans, but now were quite different. Should we all insult Australians and how they descend from convicts. Like Gwachamalia said, Americans were Mongolians that migrated to North America. Even the Norsemen came before the germans to the America's. Mythology comes from cultural diffusion. Its dynamic interaction(somebody passed their history test).

@Kramor: there were languages before hebrew and latin. Asia was very civilised while Europe was still developing.

KramoR · Post by **KramoR** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 12:22 pm

@ThorinOakensfield What about grunting?

Witch King · Post by **Witch King** » Thu Jun 21, 2001 12:32 pm

All: I have to entirely agree with "at99". We are all German, the only true and pure Race. In fact, most of the stories and mythologies (a few that you've mentioned) we're developed by those "countries" in an effort to pretend to have cultures of their own. They fabricated this pseudo-history to give credence to their insecurity-driven nationalism. But, if you examine the facts- WWII, Vietnam, anti-biotics, astronomy, automobiles, television, the Gulf War, etc., you clearly see that Germany proper, is the world's true leader, the Parent of us all. You all we should put aside your false religions and antiquated philosophies and embrace the Truth- GlobalGermanity.