Civilization III

McBane · Post by **McBane** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 8:09 am

Originally posted by Fable:

No, it's you.

Ouch

I got in a few more hours last night, and am finally starting to get the hang of this game. It probably would have helped to read the manual.

Is there any general tips anyone has on the diplomacy end. It seems that I constantly get at least 2 countries allied against me. (I guess I have an abrasive personality

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Delacroix · Post by **Delacroix** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:26 am

Things interesting and important to know.
In a combat Moutain, hills, forest give defensive bonus for the units inside.
Good strat: Go if some defensive units(mosketeer, rifleman...), one cannon, one worker for an enemy territory. Find a isolated mountain(if plains or grasslands or desert in the surrounds), Stay if this units in the mountain. Tell to the worker build a fortress and road in the mountain. Declare war against this enemy. Carnage.
The privateer, if IIRC, is supra-nacional(don't know if the "supra-" term is correct).
The number of citzens in your city also affect the defensive bonus.
To make someone attack you, for the mutual protection pact become active in your advantage, just ask repeatly to your oponent to give you a city(for example) as a gift. Them try to plant a spy. If the spy is caught he will declare war, after his first attack the mutual protection pact will trigger.
IIRC, is possible to make a continental block with sea units.
I always keep high attention to mariners and paratroops surprise attack.

ps:
Do you see any utility in the helicopter or the stealth fighter? I found both unitile.

Ps2: For two times I see Gandhi, the blood-seeker , the tyrant, the reaging violent, give me lots of fears. Gandhi is too violent. I'm afraid of his violence.
Bad Gandhi!

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Thu Nov 29, 2001 10:48 am

The helicopter can be great - but IIRC according to the description is should be able to carry 2 infantry units, but I can just seem to carry one.
I load it up and this way can bring infantry to small islands or into enermy territory in one turn.

The stealth fighter I didn't use much, just used the ordinary jet-fighter.
I used/use the stealth bomber often, except I can't get it to precision bomb - just ordinary bombing.

Advice: bomb or pillage roads into a sieged city so they can't get resouces and/or luxeries into this city.
I did this in one campaign, bombed their infrastructure, so they couldn't get rubber and thus could not produce tanks or mech.inf for many turns

Quark · Post by **Quark** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 5:47 am

Civ3 is great ... but I refuse to play it more until the patch comes out. There's too many issues that I just don't want to deal with (and don't want to remember such a good game by).

How about the fact that in every game I have not been able to contact one civilization from the diplomacy screen?

Actually, what bugs me most is the balance between difficulty levels. It doesn't exist.
My first game was on Cheiftan simply to learn the game - never again. My cities grew too fast, meaning they produced too fast, meaning they had nothing to produce (yay fun! doing wealth for half the game!). Another byproduct of this was pollution - horrible, horrible pollution. My average turn halfway through the industrial era left me with 4 squares of pollution to clean up (I had over 25 workers just for pollution!). That was just sickening, considering I had the problem throughout the entire Industrial Age, and much of the Modern Age (even with all the pollution reductions every one of my cities still had chances to produce pollution).

It's horrible how broken the difference b/w tech advance and city growth is at Chieftan level. If I ever play on that level again I've decided not to build any granaries or the Pyramids.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:00 am

Originally posted by Quark:
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How about the fact that in every game I have not been able to contact one civilization from the diplomacy screen?
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I haven't experience this problem, only problem I've got is no presicion bombing

Originally posted by Quark:
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Another byproduct of this was pollution - horrible, horrible pollution. My average turn halfway through the industrial era left me with 4 squares of pollution to clean up (I had over 25 workers just for pollution!). That was just sickening, considering I had the problem throughout the entire Industrial Age, and much of the Modern Age (even with all the pollution reductions every one of my cities still had chances to produce pollution).

And this is to unrealistic?
Actually I'm annoyed at pollution to, but a big city creates a lot pollution.

And BTW the workers seem to work faster under democracy - has anybody else noticed this?

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Quark · Post by **Quark** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 12:47 pm

My complaint is not the amount of pollution a city of a certain size produced - that's realistic.

My complaint is the fact that I had 10 cities maxed in population before I got Aquaducts; I had over 20 maxed before I got Sewer System. Half of my production in the game was wealth, simply because my technology was far outpaced by my city growth.

Besides the fact that when all the opposing civs had 7 cities of about pop. 3-5, I had 15 cities of pop +10.

Firaxis' attempts to make Chieftan an 'easy' level just ended up creating a horribly unbalanced level. City growth is just too fast.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:27 pm

Okay i have Civ 2 and beaten it several times and i love it.
Just wondering how is "test of time" any different?
I'm thinking of getting Civ 3, but then I want to get NWN too. Can't decide.
I'll get Civ 3, my parents are more likely to agree.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:30 pm

Wow there so many games i want.
Dark Age of Camelot, NWN, Civ 3, new star wars game, Gamecube, Playstation 2, Grand Auto Theft 3!!

Damit i can only get one of those games and definently not gamecube or playstation 2(too expenisve).
Than NWN and Dark Age have monthly cost for online gaming. Civ 3 looks like it.

CM · Post by CM » Fri Nov 30, 2001 4:51 pm

I can't find a list of all the civ's in Civ 3.
Can anyone post a link or the list?

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Nov 30, 2001 6:58 pm

Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield:
Okay i have Civ 2 and beaten it several times and i love it.
Just wondering how is "test of time" any different?
I'm thinking of getting Civ 3, but then I want to get NWN too. Can't decide.
I'll get Civ 3, my parents are more likely to agree.

Test of Time was an unbalanced bore. It had some interesting concepts, but the working out was poor.

If you like turn-based strategy games, do consider Europa Universalis II and Patrician II. Both are great games. (Patrician II is actually realtime, but the game can be set to go so slowly that it doesn't matter.)

Quark · Post by **Quark** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 12:16 am

How about this:
[url="http://www.civ3.com"]http://www.civ3.com[/url]

^^ Official Site, has the newest version of Civs to (some changes since manual).

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 2:48 am

Originally posted by Quark:
<snip>Firaxis' attempts to make Chieftan an 'easy' level just ended up creating a horribly unbalanced level. City growth is just too fast.

I haven't played the chieftain level - so I don't know about that.
Growth slows down a bit on later levels because you need resources to keep your citizen happy

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 2:50 am

Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield:
Okay i have Civ 2 and beaten it several times and i love it.
Just wondering how is "test of time" any different?
I'm thinking of getting Civ 3, but then I want to get NWN too. Can't decide.
I'll get Civ 3, my parents are more likely to agree.

wel seeing as NwN properly wont be out before next year (currently "guess" is 1. quarter) there should be plenty of time for both

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Sat Dec 01, 2001 5:11 pm

Originally posted by Ivan Cavallazzi:

11) They put Aztecs, Uroquois, and Zulus ; but Spain and Italy are out. Why?

Maybe to make the game more politically corect?

ANyway thanks for the hint..
Wow 10-15 civilizations!! CIv 2 had limit of 7.

Oh yeah i got the game today. Haven't installed it.

BTW i got the limited edition, and got it as the same price as the regular version. HAHAHAHA.

PS- i sucked at Civ 2. COuldn't beat the game at those mid level difficulties.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 1:17 am

Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield:

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PS- i sucked at Civ 2. COuldn't beat the game at those mid level difficulties.

- well then you would surly need to practice in Civ 3

Recoba · Post by **Recoba** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:41 am

Got Civ 3 a couple of weeks ago (which explains why my post rate has gone down

). It is very good but it is harder than Civ2. I could play civ 2 on King and win (sometimes!) but my first game in Civ 3 I played on warlord and I found I was being left behind - the other Civs expanded too fast. Started on Chieftan then but it was too easy - I will try warlord again now I know what I am doing!

BTW has anyone picked a favourite civ yet?

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Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 6:58 am

Originally posted by Recoba:
Got Civ 3 a couple of weeks ago (which explains why my post rate has gone down ). It is very good but it is harder than Civ2. I could play civ 2 on King and win (sometimes!) but my first game in Civ 3 I played on warlord and I found I was being left behind - the other Civs expanded too fast. <snip>

I know - I used to complete Civ2 wihtout difficulty on Emporer and sometimes on Deity - and first game as Warlord - I was behind

Took some seriously playing before I won

I haven't gotten a fav. Civ yet - but I like the Greek and the French.
Altough I miss the scout the expansionist civ.s get at start

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 4:04 pm

Woah playing diety! I was never that obssesed. Mostly played prince level.

yeah Civ 3 is tough. I could go through warlord easy, but Civ 3 i got thrashed by the Japanese.

They took my cities i conquered from them, and my spearmen were falling too easily.

Atleast Civ 3 gives some other ways for you to win. I like the whole culture thing. Too bad i was to milistaristic.
The problem was i couldn't expand and hadn't built ships as yet so i decided to start to take Japanese territory(BIg MistakE).

And i like the whole new different civilizations get different bonuses. Good idea.

BTW what civilization do you like to play. I usually played as the persions in my game. I never played as the Sioux or the Russians. Don't know why. Its probably because i didn't like the russian ambasador guy and the fact that the Sioux always had such a powerful military.

Good game, nice graphics.

Quark · Post by **Quark** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 9:28 pm

I was quite pissed the way my first game ended.

I was going for a spaceship victory and was doing quite well (was building the last 3 components). What happens? My culture breaks 10,000. 'Congratulations, you have won by culture!' What? Huh? Was I given a choice? No. Thanks alot.

I had all the victory conditions enabled so that the enemies could use them, thanks for giving me the choice to not use it myself.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Dec 02, 2001 10:53 pm

lol @ Quark: that is really not the games fault

If you enabled them soyour enimes could use them, why shouldn't your civ be subjected to the same conditions?

I'm here in my early fase (heck have onlyu had this game some 15-20 days) playing with cultural and diplomatic victory, but as soon as I get better (get to next level) I'll remove these so there only is Space Race and Conquest