New mods = more CTD's

speckledjim · Post by **speckledjim** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 2:13 pm

I've been using the same mods for a while now. But started new character yesterday, and decided to play the game a bit different this time. played the full FCOM Convergence last time + some other mods.

New Mods:

- The Lost Spires
- BTmod
- deadly reflex
- Alternative Start by Robert Evrae
- Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi
- Oblivion XP
- CleanQuit

After adding these I have been getting quite many more CTD's.

Any suggestions on what to change to reduce CTD's?

Here is my load order:

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Better Oblivion Sorting Software Load Order Utility

(c) Random007 & the BOSS development team, 2009
Some rights reserved.
CC Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0
Creative Commons — Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 Unported
v1.35 (23 June 09)
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Master .ESM date: Mon Jan 01 22:19:08 2001
FCOM detected.

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Recognised and re-ordered mod files:
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Oblivion.esm

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm

Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

FCOM_Convergence.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Climate,C.Light,C.Owner,Delev,Invent,Names,Relev,Stats,Relations}} and remove the C.Water tag.

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp
. Note: Remember to use the 'MOBS' version when using Francesco's and FCOM.
. Note: Newest MOBS and non-MOBS versions have the same name.
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Light,C.Owner,Invent,Names,Stats,Delev}}

Fra.esp
. Note: BSA redirection hack. Usually refers to FraNewItems.BSA
. Note: Using a file to load a BSA means the BSA must NOT be listed in Oblivion.ini at the same time or the game will not load.
. Note: This is ususally only a problem when automatic installers insert the name into Oblivion.ini then the user creates a BSA redirection file later.

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp

Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
. Note: Requires Shivering Isles expansion.

FCOM_Francescos.esp
. Note: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b required.

FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp
. Note: Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items 4.5b required.
. Note: Francesco's supplementary addon package required.

Living Economy - SI.esp
. Note: Don't use 'Living Economy' and 'Living Economy - SI' together. Pick one. Requires Shivering Isles expansion.

Living Economy - Items.esp

Cutthroat Merchants.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relev}}

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Note: Not compatible with 'CDM-CGO Compatibility plugins'.

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
. Note: Requires 'FCOM_BobsArmory.esp'.

Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
. Note: Requires either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp'.

FCOM_WarCry.esp
. Note: Use either 'FCOM_WarCry.esp' or 'FCOM_WarCryNoSpawn.esp', not both.

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

FCOM_Convergence.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:C.Owner}}

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp
. Note: Possible conflict with Frostcrag Reborn. Do not use both or land tearing will occur.

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

FCOM_Knights.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH

elev,Relev}}
. Note: Requires DLC 'Knights.esp'.

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

Compass-Disable_POIs.esp

Compass-Disable_QuestMarkers.esp

Compass-Disable_Both.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
. Bashed Patch tag suggestion: {{BASH:Relations}}

Drokk's Vampire Mod.esp

Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
. Note: Use no more than one Timed Block ESP.

DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
. Note: See Fast Free Upload - Share Your Files - Free xxx Uploads for a hotfix for CTD issues.

Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi.esp

Oblivion XP.esp

Francesco's 10 days respawn time - 1-20 day lenght rescale.esp

AznarsLifeDetect.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

CleanQuit.esp

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Unrecognised mod files:
Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.
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Unknown mod file: Ranokoas City Stealth Exits.esp

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Done.

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:19 pm

I seem to recall reading somewhere that Deadly Reflex loads at the very end of the list--but that may be an earlier release. It's worth your checking on it.

You have read all the readme files for each mod about compatibility, right?

Did you follow the Oblivion XP directions about both renaming several files, and changing the contents of your INI file?

Finally, FCOM is a real problem to get working correctly. Bethsoft's own Oblivion mod forum is probably the best place to get help in where its ESPs and ESMs should go relative to everything else.

speckledjim · Post by **speckledjim** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:42 pm

Using BOSS to make load order, don't have a clue what goes first or last have been relying on that it got the load order right..

FCOM was running as good as it gets before I added the new mods, only crashed when I un/equipped certain items.

As for reading about compatibility, I saw something about renaming entries in .ini when installing files manually, but I used the OMOD so I basicly just activated it and ran the game.

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 5:56 pm

speckledjim wrote:Using BOSS to make load order, don't have a clue what goes first or last have been relying on that it got the load order right..

BOSS is great, but it doesn't override your knowledge about your own mods. Read the readme's.

Especially read about Deadly Reflex.

As for reading about compatibility, I saw something about renaming entries in .ini when installing files manually, but I used the OMOD so I basicly just activated it and ran the game.

Check to see that the files were actually renamed, as the readme for Oblivion XP indicated. If they weren't, that could cause a problem.

I would also suggest posting about all this over on Bethsoft's own board, here. Because there are many people who run FCOM specifically, and know all about its quirks. Myself, I only run the "F" part, along with about 180 other mods.

speckledjim · Post by **speckledjim** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:06 pm

Ok, thanks. Will do

fable · Post by **fable** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:31 pm

It's also more work, but I would suggest looking into Wrye Bash. The main site appears to be down at the moment, but it will inform you if any of your mods are out of correct date order, or if dependencies are messed up. It has a lot of advanced functions, too. Safe to avoid the program, but it does help with complicated setups--and if you're running FCOM, and more mods, you may just want to consider it. Or at least, read about it.

speckledjim · Post by **speckledjim** » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:48 pm

Already got it, and all .esp and .esm files are green. So it's probably just a minor thing causing problems.