Does divination work? I knew you'd reply that way...

fable · Post by **fable** » Sun Jul 08, 2001 5:48 pm

Name your poison: astrology, tarot, runes, geomancy, chicken entrails, tea leaves, you name it. Do you believe it has any validity? If so, how specific can it get?

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 11:34 am

Hey! Give this post topic a try. The room has some nice furniture, there's a stocked fridge, and everybody gets to hear the music they want without having to listen to anybody else's choices.

That's about the most elaborate "bump" I've ever seen.

Craig · Post by **Craig** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 11:39 am

I have dreams

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 11:42 am

Originally posted by fable:
Name your poison: astrology, tarot, runes, geomancy, chicken entrails, tea leaves, you name it. Do you believe it has any validity? If so, how specific can it get?

Don't belive in any of it.
I'll continue to belive in mankinds free will (unless of course we invent time travel back into time

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C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 11:48 am

I hope nobody feel offended, but IMPO all of this is crap.

For instance, there are numerous investigations and studies showing that astrology is no better predictor of future events, of an indiviuals personality or background than random guessing.

So, probably I'm not the right person to post in this thread

Weasel · Post by **Weasel** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 12:35 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans:
I hope nobody feel offended, but IMPO all of this is crap.

For instance, there are numerous investigations and studies showing that astrology is no better predictor of future events, of an indiviuals personality or background than random guessing.

So, probably I'm not the right person to post in this thread

My thoughts as well.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 12:44 pm

I must admit to being really close to my full Astrological analysis re personality/tendencies etc, well if the human body is made up of 3/4 water and the moon affects the tides etc...(then I am a werewolf!). Though I dislike being that predictable. I do enjoy it though. A bit of fun.

But there must be someone out there with the same reading as me and we will be completely different people. Environment and experience having a big part of it. Maybe it is me being romantic (not!) or perhaps being superstious (somewhat!). I should add, however, that I do not read my daily stars and I do not believe in astrology as a predictor. And as for tealeaves they went out with Typhoo bags! Tarot. No. My sister used to have a set of Tarot cards and I picked them up to admire their artwork. My sister was mortified saying only she should touch them....Hmmm. I only wanted to consider recreating the artwork for my wall.

But if I was to consider it too closely I would see me with a Taurus sun and a Saggitarius/Scorpio rising and my 3.5 year old daughter going on 15.5 with a Saggitarius sun and a Taurus rising and wonder whether as adults we will be great friends or great enemies. (When the rising sign is supposed to be a closer reflection to personality that the sun sign)

Hmmm...

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 12:46 pm

And to Craig - I am not sure this is the thread to elaborate!

Not without turning it into a major spamming session

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 12:49 pm

And to Fable - good title lol!

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 1:11 pm

@Yshania, thanks.

@Xandax, you're thinking of divination as a fixed quantity: "You are going to take a job tomorrow to Peoria, Illinois." What if it's a window into tendencies and possibilities in the near future?

And no, I am not in the pay of any organization that sells chicken entrails.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 1:20 pm

@Fable when you talk about "divination" are you talking specifically about being able to predict future events, or would you include the use, for example, of tarot to further one's spiritual development? Does this make sense?

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 5:33 pm

@Georgi, it wasn't my intention when creating the topic to broaden it beyond divination only, but whythehell not?

Tarot meditation is an excellent example. Do you do that? What do you feel you get from this kind of meditation?

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Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 5:46 pm

@Fable Well, I think the topic is related, it's the same kind of thing as what Yshania said, astrology might be able to tell you what some of your characteristics are, but probably not about specific events etc., IMHO. Same with tarot, I would say. I do have a tarot pack (I forget which one, and I left it at uni), but I haven't had much time to experiment with it as yet. Do you use tarot?

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 6:17 pm

Yes, I do, for meditation: it's called The Navigators Tarot for the Mystic Sea, and comes with a book that is chock-full of utter nonsense and factual misstatements. (Like equating the development of the Greek word "panic" with the reactions of the Egyptian pantheon to the death of Osiris--nevermind that the Osirian myth cycle achieved its final form more than two thousand years before the Greek...) But it's also great for meditation, with fantastic images. I recommend it highly.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 7:15 pm

Crystal ball hazy, ask again later.

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Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Mon Jul 09, 2001 7:18 pm

Originally posted by fable:
Yes, I do, for meditation: it's called The Navigators Tarot for the Mystic Sea, and comes with a book that is chock-full of utter nonsense and factual misstatements. (Like equating the development of the Greek word "panic" with the reactions of the Egyptian pantheon to the death of Osiris--nevermind that the Osirian myth cycle achieved its final form more than two thousand years before the Greek...) But it's also great for meditation, with fantastic images. I recommend it highly.

"Meditation is for weak people with troubled minds . . . is your mind troubled?".
- Tyr Anasazi, Andromeda

This is not meant to offend but I couldn’t help but remember Tyr’s line from “The Ties that Bind” episode. The Nietzcheans of Andromeda constantly fascinate me with their dichotomy and alien agenda (they’re humans yet their value system and beliefs are more alien then the extraterrestrials we see on most Sci-Fi programs). They’re paranoid, selfish, elitist bastards who value survival at all costs, and yet their honesty, familial loyalty (to their clan as a whole more than individuals), and courage are just as prominent as their less noble characteristics. Despite the fact that they scorn all religion their devotion to their culture and their inherent sense of superiority borders on fervor seldom seen outside of religious circles. The way each Nietzchean takes personal responsibility for his own actions (good or bad) is in stark contrast to our modern victim society that gives people numerous excuses to avoid taking blame for their own actions.

This post should really be somewhere else, but I think the Nietchean philosophy is one worth examining. P.S. I don't believe in divination.

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Jul 10, 2001 7:58 am

@Kayless, I'm afraid you're one (or many) up on me. I haven't watched television except in passing for the last twelve years. Is "Andromeda" a series?

Darkpoet · Post by **Darkpoet** » Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:16 am

I agree with CE and Weasel. Garbage. IMOP.

fable · Post by **fable** » Tue Jul 10, 2001 8:34 am

The funniest take on divination that I ever saw was SCTV's fake trailer for a program called "Nostradamus: Prophet of the Future!" Dave Thomas was an incredibly annoying, nerdy Nostradamus, who kept bothering people who would hit or scream at him, at which point he'd smirk and say, "I knew you were going to do that." Finally, they said at the end of the trailer that it had even been canceled before airing--at which point you heard Thomas repeating his line in the background.

By the way, I just found a really neat SCTV website in trying to recall the name Thomas' name. Check out: [url="http://sctvguide.ca/."]http://sctvguide.ca/.[/url] Nice to see that the series is remembered. I think it was the funniest thing to come out of America (and yes, I mean the US and Canada).

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