Honest Answers, Everyone

[Hill-Shatar]

I feel special now. Oh great, its going to my head. and its T3, andvagor, not T4.

You seem bent on bringing back so many of the older characters from the first and second games. I can see how many of the newer players would like to see the old ones. Were you speaking about adding them as NPCs? Cause if you were, then I can see having one or two of them show up. But with the pssoble exclusion of Carth, as admiral onasi (if Revan repented), none of these charatcers, other than if they were turned into jedi, would show up, and even then, the chances of meeting mira, and atton, may not be all that great.

you have to remember that the many actions taken in the game, such as killing the jedi masters, or staying on Trayus academy to use the dark side, affects every charatcer. Few charatcers get out of this the same either way. The handmaiden is one, and Carth Onasi was another, but as you see, the questions at the beginning of the second game influenced whether or not he would appear. Imagine if you had to answer who knows how many questions to get the charatcers right.

And the exile has the same problems as Revan. How did he turn out? If he walked the path of the light, did he fall? If he walked the path of darkness, did he repent? What did he, or she, which is also complicated, look like? Will they show a bunch of portraits at the beginning of the game, and ask(kind of like atton) which one was the exile? The exile, rmember, didnt wear a face mask. The game would be incredibly complex if you tried all the combinations. If admiral onasi comes back and talks about the female, exile, using the pronoun she instead of he and all, may make it even more different. Some male charatcermay be surprised to be beaten in the butt by some female charatcer and get chastised. the whle conversation may be different between many of the charatcers would be different, from if they were your friends or not, did you have enough influence with them, were you romantic with them, if they were still alive at the end of the game, what happened at the end of the game, being disgusted by past actions, each would affect every single one of the NPCs conversations with each other.

Provided there is a chance to vbring some back, as was demonstrated in the second game.

My conclusion isnt exactly what happened in the last game. You were asked to find Revan by his friends, they didnt even know if he was still alive. And as for the genration thing, its how the game works, a pattern I noticed. Most can only assume that they will incorporate it into future games and designs, plus there is logic about how that works, as was mentioned.

[Darth Reven]

I dont think u could have revan back as him because at the end of the forst kotor it was annouchend tht the pc revan (as dark anyway) is invinsible however u could have like child versions of revan and bastilla or if female reven in kotor, child force sensitive carth as well as a female revan bearing in mind tht if u made this game 10 yrs after the events of kotor2 u could meet the ds exile on malachor on the way to following there father/mother's path to the dark side this could also incorperate the popular padawan idea.

ps if u want to comment on this idea please pm me as im going on holiday tomoz and wont be one till next saturday

[Hill-Shatar]

I rarely play the LS, and many people, as you may have read from other threads, play the LS, and rarely follow the Ds, except once or twice for fun (and we all like to talk about that, dont we ). In any case, it only works for the DS, maybe, considering what you did in the game. I dont think it would work. Unless, like Zenimej said, they make a random person and give him the name Revan.

[Chimaera182]

For myself, I rarely ever go LS. I've probably played KotOR II 9 times, and only two of those times did I come out a Jedi: I saved after escaped Peragus, did one game as a 100% dark sider, beat the snot out of the game, then started over on Telos and went light sider. I thought it was boring being a Jedi. And I know someone who just can't bring himself to be a dark sider in KotOR I or II; and yet, he feels very comfortable playing Grand Theft Auto and shooting cops and carving up pedestrians with a chainsaw. Frankly, I prefer the middleground, which I'm going to try to stick to 100% in my latest game; I wanna see what happens if I stay neutral and don't stray so far that I get to see Visas talk to her master.

Well, if we have to see Revan as an NPC, and Revan does have that mask, maybe you'll have an Atton moment: you'll talk to someone about Revan and get to choose whether Revan was male or female. After that, if you run into Revan later in the game, their voice will reflect the choice you made, so as to not need the voice scrambling deal I mentioned. That'd probably cost more for two actors to do the script for one character, so something tells me that's not likely.

The same can be said for the Exile; if you have a conversation about the Exile--who will henceforth be known ONLY as the Exile, since s/he didn't have a fixed name--and you indicate the Exile was male or female, certain characters will show up later in KotOR III. If you're hellbent on the return of people from the old games, then that will decide if you meet up with Handmaiden or Disciple. But to have any of them as party members is just not going to happen; any possible Jedi in your party would have been powerful to some certain point by the end of KotOR II, and if they join you in KotOR III they'd very likely have been weakend severely to join you (if they'll even be Jedi at all). There's just too many variables to decide on for old characters to rejoin. Keeping it simple's the way to go: it's easier to do and likely will equal less work and less money spent, and the business of Lucasarts and whoever they contract KotOR III out to is not to use up money but to make it (the rush job of KotOR II screams as much).

[Turambar]

I have a suggestion that would be fairly user friendly, even though it might suck for the programmers. If Revan and/or the Exile show up in KOTOR III (which I am convinced should occur, though to what degree I do not know) you simply have more pages at the beginning set up of the game. In additon to designing your character (whoever that will be) you also fill out similar stats for Revan and the Exile. Obviously it would be more indepth to include LS or DS, what kind of powers and feats you would have, etc. This would solve a lot of the "What would Revan look like?" and "It wouldn't be the same Revan you know" objections.

[Darth Zenemij]

Yeah, I thought of this once, but later on I thought that it was to much things to do, and you would have to make it for three characters, and I don't want to do that. Nor does anyone els want to either, I would think.

[Valper]

[QUOTE=Kaja Sinis]I'm forced to disagree with many of you. T3-M4 plays the R2-D2 role, as the only one who really knows what the hell is actually going on, always. I also agree that HK-47 was probably deactivated by Revan himself. The whole abandoned Ebon Hawk thing in the beginning of KOTOR II was outright shady. And as for the droid matter, I liked how they brought T3 and HK back. It gave the familiarity and nostalgia of playing the first KOTOR. What if they replaced the droids in every of the 6 movie episodes? It would ruin the whole saga. Without R2, everyone was screwed. The droids and their "personalities" are important to Star Wars continuity. As for playing as Revan, I think it would present the same nostalgic, familiar KOTOR vibe that would give everyone goosebumps. Like many of you have said, Revan's story was entirely compelling, and I would hate to miss the opportunity to join his quest in the Outer Rim first hand. I also believe the Exile should return. Why? Because both the Exile and Revan are described repeatedly as "echoes in the Force" in K II; neither of them True Jedi even on a LS path. There are also references of needing to have these echoes silenced so that there may be balance. I see a huge conflict extending beyond the single True Sith threat in KOTOR III, involving other Dark Jedi masterminds of the Force, seeking Revan and the Exile to end them. How would they do it with both characters being all powerful? They would of course have to incorporate other characters as well, who could take turns with their own twists and turns in the plot as to where your main character would vary in parts of the game. Perhaps Carth learns the ways of the Force and leads a particular mission? Maybe the Handmaiden, who has sworn allegiance to the Exile, tags along to share the ways of the Force to her own party members accompanying her on her role in the story, and so on. Eventually I think that these band of "other" characters would be the Lost Jedi, and the beginning of the restoration of the Order, on a quest to trace Revan's footsteps only to discover him towards the later part of the story, with the Exile close behind, both excelled in combat and the Force. What's so wrong about meeting up with characters that are already powerfully leveled up? RPGs have been doing that since early Final Fantasy titles.[/QUOTE]


How can you all ignore this right here. Revan and the exile is the game now. How can you continue this game without it? Its a Star Wars story leaving them out would not work there is still more to tell about these chars. I especially like the part of the threats he brings up. Maybe just maybe they give you a choice in the very beginning of the game to go light or dark when you make your char of course you have really strive for it so for all you guys that want to play as someone else maybe you play as a dark jedi that kills revan and if you choose light you follow revan. But it really disappointed me that nobody even responded to kajas sayings. If your a dark sith and you hear want happened on the star forge your just going to forget about revan thats funny. there is still so much here to say, and do. If i know lucas arts they will do something similar to what me Kaja and hill are saying yes you to hill thats one more that follow you as well. As for the memory wipes thats all history your right guys the third one should be like the 3rd star wars episode all out war between jedi's and if its comming out on xbox all out war means deathmatchs and i hope its incorporated.

[Darth Zenemij]

Revan and the Exile have to make an appereance in the game, but the question is how, and when. You see, revan became to overrated, I can probably tell you that half of the people who like revan, don't know the first thing about em'. Now, T3 and HK have to be in the next games as well, HK= C3PO and T3M4= R2D2, as many people can obviously tell.

[Chimaera182]

Oh, it's sooooooo wrong to compare HK-47 to C3-P0, but yes, that's how it is.

I don't think T3 should be in the next one, now that I've had a second to think. If the Exile has to leave everyone s/he cares behind, just like Revan did, but has to *find* Revan, T3's the only way s/he can do that. If that's the case, T3 isn't likely to be in the game. Either T3 will show up later in the game--if at all--or T3 will show up earlier in the game and that may wind up implying--or maybe T3 will tell you--that the Exile is dead. The same probably happened to HK-47, and I know I mentioned this somewhere before: HK-47 shuts down upon his master's death, as he said he did in KotOR I; if that's the case, perhaps he was with Revan and saw Revan die, which shut him down. That would certainly make it easier to steal his schematics so someone could make the HK-50s. After all, if HK-47 knew his master was still alive, he would try to find him/her, but he doesn't seem at all concerned to try.

[Hill-Shatar]

Hey, Dont you remember that HK-47 said that he was shot several times in his core or something at close range? If someone found him deactivated, i dont think they would have shot him repeatedly. Besides, wasnt he built in a factory somewhere, by systech? Dont they already have his specifications?

And to prove to the moderator that we aren going off topic (no offence )doesnt that mean that Revan is dead, that just means that HK-47 was protecting Revan, and was deactivated while doing so.

Besides, havent we already been down the whole Revan should be dead, why shoud he be around sort of thing already?

[Hill-Shatar]

Oh, sorry, that means Revan is NOT dead. My bad.

[Chimaera182]

It could have happened in the process of his time as an assassin droid. Who knows how much damage HK-47 incurred? Although maybe Revan couldn't shake the droid and decided to do it him/herself. And HK-47 seemed to be one-of-a-kind before; there was some mention of it in KotOR I, I think. No one knew what he was, and, like HK-47 said, if there were more HKs around, more people would know what they were, and if more people knew, then it would hamper their ability to perform. Plus, if HK-47 was Revan's personal droid, it's doubtful s/he'd leave specs to him lying around for someone to duplicate or find a weakness. Unless Revan wanted that, anyway.

[Hill-Shatar]

Exactly, HK-47 being disabled doesnt mean revans dead, we dont know how he was disabled.

And to reiterate. Wasnt he disigned by Systech. Dont they still have his specs.

And the HK-50s were masquarading as protocol droids, so no one really knew what they were or what their purpose was, did they?

[Chimaera182]

[QUOTE=hill1]Exactly, HK-47 being disabled doesnt mean revans dead, we dont know how he was disabled.

And to reiterate. Wasnt he disigned by Systech. Dont they still have his specs.

And the HK-50s were masquarading as protocol droids, so no one really knew what they were or what their purpose was, did they?[/QUOTE]
No, it doesn't, but HK-47's apathy towards finding his old master does.

Systech probably did, but like I said, Revan wouldn't like that, so probably destroyed whatever evidence there was of HK-47's specs. If Systech did have HK-47's specs, it isn't likely they would only have made the one, which seems to be the case in 47's case. After all, the business of business is business, and that business is making money, and they can't make money off one droid. Maybe--*maybe*--they were the ones responsible for the HK-50s, since that was more likely to net them some dough, but it doesn't seem likely with how the game played out.

And if the HK-50s were masquerading as protocol droids, yes, no one would know their real purpose. But once they start attacking people--although specifically they seemed designed to hunt the Exile alone--then people might know. And if there's more of them in the galaxy, that increases the likelihood of people finding out what they're really up to.

[Turambar]

Wasn't HK-47 created by Revan?

"HK-47 was originally created by Darth Revan to be the quintessential assassin."

From:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HK-47

[Hill-Shatar]

No, we heard in the first one and maybe the second that he refered to himself as a marvel of engineering, with expertise in ect. ect. and that he was made by systech, and to quote from HK from memory, "from my construction, they must be a prestigious company indeed."

[Darth Zenemij]

Yeah, HK 74 was created by Darth Revan, hk says it himself, and why would hk say that all the other meatbags are inferior to you, Revan?

[TheOne3]

who knows but i want revan back only because he/she was so big in the 1st one and honestly all i want is to talk to him/her or find him/her or something of that nature in the 3rd one i want to talk to him/her and find out what he/she did well for me it was he so im gunna keep sayin he but yeah i want him back just to talk to him if he were in my party though i dont think i would mind

[darth leano]

you should get to play as different classic charectors (revan,exile,bastilla) in different times n places, leading 2 the ultimate confrontation

[Darth Trahus]

[QUOTE=Darth Zenemij]Yeah, HK 74 was created by Darth Revan, hk says it himself, and why would hk say that all the other meatbags are inferior to you, Revan?[/QUOTE]

HK could not have been created by Revan. The LucasArts site says that HK existed before Revan too. However, Revan may have wiped HK's memory and placed that memory in him.