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A new Star Trek TV series has started, called Enterprise. Scott Backula (sp?) from Quantum Leap stars as the new Captain – Jonathan Archer. Takes place about 50 or so years after “First Contact” when humans discovered warp drive, and about 80 years (IIRC) before Kirk and the Federation.

As I said elsewhere, a good start to a good series. I liked the Captain's quarters - looked like Pike's quarters from the Cage in a way. Loved the fact that Cochrane didn't split his infinitive (to go boldly)!! The communications officer was a nice touch of the original series. Lots of good touches. Nasty weather, polarizing the hull plating, communication problems,...

Originally posted by Kayless elsewhere:
<STRONG> I like it that the new (or should that be old?) Enterprise's warp nacelles are appropriately similar to the original series in design. I actually thought that Enterprise’s premiere was the best of all the Trek shows’. It’s nice that they’re going in new directions rather than rehashing TNG’s era (which Voyager took the shine off IMHO ). I especially liked some of the continuity features, i.e. The Enterprise’s registration is NX rather than NCC signifying that’s it’s a prototype vessel, yellow is the color for command and red is for engineering like in the original series (next generation and subsequent spin-offs reversed them), and Zephram Cochran's cameo. And I almost didn’t recognize Vaughn Armstrong in role of the Admiral. He’s played dozens of different roles in Trek but this is the first time I’ve actually seen him play a human. All this aside there were a few slip-ups, as one of the Vulcans refers to Klingon Warbirds. Anyone who knows about Trek ships will tell you that Warbirds are a distinctly Romulan ship and Bird of Preys are Klingon. I suppose it’s possible that they were originally reversed since in the Original Series the term Bird of Prey was used for a Romulan vessel (oh, speaking of Romulans, who else here thinks the Temporal Bad Guytm is really a Romulan? </STRONG>
Originally posted by Kayless elsewhere but later:
<STRONG> During the Original Series the Klingons and the Romulans allied and the Romulans used Klingons ships (D7 class or the K’Tinga upgrade). An early draft for Star Trek 3 has Christopher Lloyd’s Klingon character stealing a Romulan Bird of Prey for his quest to thwart Kirk. Subsequent drafts dropped the Romulan connection but the ship somehow stayed a Bird of Prey. The term has been used for Klingon ships ever since (B'rel and K'vort classes) </STRONG>
Okay, let me dredge my poor memory here for a moment. I was a Trekie before there ever was a TNG. I even recall watching the original series during the original run back when I was 5 years old. We saw it on an old black and white TV with rabbit ears sitting on a brass-colored TV cart with a magazine rack underneath. It was back in the family room in our house in Dallas... Ah, the memories...

But I digress. The problem, as I recall, was that in the Original Series the Romulans first (Balance of Power, I think) show up running around in those flat ships with the red birds painted on the undersides – called Romulan Birds of Prey, then later show up sailing around in clearly Klingon ships – called Warbirds. The lore, as I recall, used to explain why, was that the Romulans later stole the Klingon design. I seem to remember this from the old set of Enterprise blueprints I have. I would look it up, but they are in storage.

In otherwords, as I recall, the Klingon vessels were originally called Warbirds, and that the Vulcan on Enterprise got it right. I could be wrong, its happened before. I think the last time I was wrong was back in 1976.

Interesting thing about the temporal villain being Romulan (possibly), is that the Vulcans of this time (Enterprise-time) may not even know the Romulans exist, since they broke off from the Vulcans centuries before and were assumed to have perished, taking on a mythological status. Balance of Power, I think, was the first time the Romulans were seen, right?
That there; exactly the kinda diversion we coulda used.
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Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>A new Star Trek TV series has started, called Enterprise. Scott Backula (sp?) from Quantum Leap stars as the new Captain – Jonathan Archer. Takes place about 50 or so years after “First Contact” when humans discovered warp drive, and about 80 years (IIRC) before Kirk and the Federation.</STRONG>
It takes place about 150 years from now. Zefram Cochrane's first flight took place 66 years from now in 2067, IIRC. Enterprise takes place about 90 years after Cochrane's first flight. I believe it is about 100 years before Kirk, though I'm not sure about that stat.
Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>As I said elsewhere, a good start to a good series. I liked the Captain's quarters - looked like Pike's quarters from the Cage in a way. Loved the fact that Cochrane didn't split his infinitive (to go boldly)!! The communications officer was a nice touch of the original series. Lots of good touches. Nasty weather, polarizing the hull plating, communication problems,...</STRONG>
That stuff is definitely cool. :cool:
Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG> Okay, let me dredge my poor memory here for a moment. I was a Trekie before there ever was a TNG. I even recall watching the original series during the original run back when I was 5 years old. We saw it on an old black and white TV with rabbit ears sitting on a brass-colored TV cart with a magazine rack underneath. It was back in the family room in our house in Dallas... Ah, the memories...</STRONG>
I have only seen TOS in reruns and I haven't seen every episode, but I've seen most of them. I have been a Trekkie since TNG, my parents since TOS; though I know more about it all than they do, including TOS. ;)
Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>But I digress. The problem, as I recall, was that in the Original Series the Romulans first (Balance of Power, I think) show up running around in those flat ships with the red birds painted on the undersides – called Romulan Birds of Prey, then later show up sailing around in clearly Klingon ships – called Warbirds. The lore, as I recall, used to explain why, was that the Romulans later stole the Klingon design. I seem to remember this from the old set of Enterprise blueprints I have. I would look it up, but they are in storage.

In otherwords, as I recall, the Klingon vessels were originally called Warbirds, and that the Vulcan on Enterprise got it right. I could be wrong, its happened before. I think the last time I was wrong was back in 1976. </STRONG>
That's what I was meaning in that other topic. You remember correctly. The Romulans stole the warbirds from the Klingons. The interesting thing is that the Klingon ships later became Birds of Prey. Seems like I read something about that, but I don't remember for sure.
Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
<STRONG>Interesting thing about the temporal villain being Romulan (possibly), is that the Vulcans of this time (Enterprise-time) may not even know the Romulans exist, since they broke off from the Vulcans centuries before and were assumed to have perished, taking on a mythological status. Balance of Power, I think, was the first time the Romulans were seen, right?</STRONG>
That was the first time we(the viewers) saw Romulans. The Romulans were known before that, but they were remaining quietly behind their borders making no known contact with the Federation. The book Star Trek Final Frontier by Diane Carey tells of the "first" meeting with Romulans in which it was discovered they looked like Romulans. The whole event was quite humourous actually. However, the book has been falsified because the Enterprise in Enterprise is the first true Starship, I believe. The ship in the book is nameless(until the end) and is the "first Starship." Anyway, as I was saying, the Romulans are already known to exist by the time they first show up in TOS.


What I wonder is if Rigel 4 is a tourist attraction yet in Enterprise? And are the Rigelians on Rigel 3 the same vulcanoids they are in Leonard Nemoy's book...bah, I forgot the name of it.

I need to learn more about Star Trek, but I probably know too much already. I hope they don't find me. :eek: :D
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DEATH TO TREKKIES!!! :mad:

No, just kidding! :) I am one myself, though of the Picard (Earl Grey) blend rather than the Kirk, Sisko, or Janeway versions.
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I believe this new ST will do quite well. When I first heard of it's concpet, I was really skeptical about. This show, I thought, was only being made to appeal to the original Trekkies. Even though I am a fan of all the ST series, I, like many other people, don't often like to see a story go backwards, instead of progressing. But, being the Trekkie I am, I decided to watched the two-hour pilot, and found my veiws changing. I beleieve they did a great job on it! Personally, I love what the Enterprise looks like, an Akira class with it's naecels upside down. In a sense, they added bits of the future ST, possibly to make new Trekkies more comfotable. I was kind've disappointed that there wasn't any huge space battle, but you can't have everything, right?

I thought the graphics they used were done nicely, and weren't to over board. They seemed to fit with everything that was going on in the story. I loved that temporal flux room, and the fight there. The cast, surprisingly, didn't make me cringe, as it did with Voyager. When I heard Scott Bakula was doing it, I almost laughed, but later when watching the show, realized the good choice. I beleieve that the only reason for T'pol, though, is for sex appeal. To me, her character wasn't that strong, and didn't strike me as very likable.

As with all series, this one might take a bit to gain some momentum, but I believe it will takes another seven year course.

Oh yeah, I'm with the Romulan vote for the hidden temporal guy.

@SS: About the Birds of Prey. The Klingons called their ships (K'vorts, and B'rels) Birds of Prey because of the many mythos, and danger birds on the Klignon homeworld. They way they were designed, and appeared were all that of a scavenger bird, and the cloaking made it more of a a ship that "preys" on others by sneaking up, and attacking.

Now, what I'm wondering is if they'll still have those ancient K'tinga class destroyers running, or would this be too soon.
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Gwally, you had me worried there. Especially when I saw this "To go boldly". Until I read it was for Star Trek. :D

"live long and be in peace...er...no Live long and organize.......er......no Um, Live long and listen to Buck.....er.... No, it's Listen to Buck and live longer. Hmmmmmmm Get your hands off me, you filthy ape! Oops That's what Sleep's dates say to him. :D Damn it Aegis, I'm only a doctor.

The setting: Spock and Captain James T. Kirk, having a glass of white wine. In the Kirk's quarters.

Kirk: "Spock, I I have never done this before."

Spock: "Have some more wine, Captian. It will make it easier."

Enters Scotty sweating.

Scotty: (breathing hard) "Captain, I gave it all I could. It's about to explode! It can't take it anymore!"

Spock: (in a soothing voice) Scotty, have some wine and relax. (walks over to Scotty and starts to rub his shoulders) Ooohhh Scotty, you are are tense.

Enters McCoy.

McCoy: (shouting) Get your hands off him, you green Vulcan!!!

Spock: (gesturing) My dear Doctor, your nerves. Some wine, it will help to relax.

Kirk: Bones, have you tried it?

McCoy: Damn it Jim, I'm only a Doctor! (talking to Spock) Yes, I would some wine Spock.

Spock: Okay Captian it's time.

Kirk: (peering closely) How can you program these 20th centry VCRs?


Hah, thought it was going to be dirty. :D
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hmmmmmmmn.........

I think i'll leave
I'm walking backwards for christmas over the Irish sea
I've tried walking sideways or the front but people just say it's a publicity stunt
I'm walkin....arggggg
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Originally posted by Dark Angel:
<STRONG>hmmmmmmmn.........

I think i'll leave</STRONG>

ROTFLMAO :D :D

Hey where are you going??? Spock wants to play, he has wine. :D
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@DP: What really scares me about that is that there is actually this ST spoof of a love scene between Spock and Kirk. My friend played the friggen' audio when I was at his place once, and it surprised the hell out of me....

Quite wrong...
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Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>@DP: What really scares me about that is that there is actually this ST spoof of a love scene between Spock and Kirk. My friend played the friggen' audio when I was at his place once, and it surprised the hell out of me....

Quite wrong...</STRONG>
I know, but I wasn't about to post that. :D
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Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>I beleieve that the only reason for T'pol, though, is for sex appeal. To me, her character wasn't that strong, and didn't strike me as very likable.</STRONG>
That may be, but a character that is brought in for such a purpose, unless removed before it can happen, will usually grow and became more than just there for sex appeal. One thing to remember, though, is that, not only is this a time in history when Vulcan/Human relations were, obviously, not at their best and this is the first time a female Vulcan has been one of the main chars(unless you count whats-her-name in Search For Spock). There are of course differences between male Vulcans and female Vulcans, it will be interesting to see how this effects the story.
Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>@SS: About the Birds of Prey. The Klingons called their ships (K'vorts, and B'rels) Birds of Prey because of the many mythos, and danger birds on the Klignon homeworld. They way they were designed, and appeared were all that of a scavenger bird, and the cloaking made it more of a a ship that "preys" on others by sneaking up, and attacking.</STRONG>
That is logical, but the question is not so much why they chose that term; but why did they choose to change it from warbird to bird of prey? The way I see it, they got mad at the Romulans for stealing their ships and the term for their ships and so they stole the term the Romulans use for their ships. Petty(sp?), but something I wouldn't be surprised if the Klingons did. ;)
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Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>That is logical, but the question is not so much why they chose that term; but why did they choose to change it from warbird to bird of prey? The way I see it, they got mad at the Romulans for stealing their ships and the term for their ships and so they stole the term the Romulans use for their ships. Petty(sp?), but something I wouldn't be surprised if the Klingons did. ;) </STRONG>
The Klignons veiw the Romulans as "honourless Dogs" and "Pa'toks". The thought have have a class of ship the same as their hated enemies would instill mean those piloting them would feel they lost their honour. So, in order to keep their pride strong, and the people powerful, and morale high, the Klingons changed the name to better suit it. It all worked out for the best.

PErsonally though, even though the Klingons are the best race in ST, the Federation has the coolest ships. You look at stuff like Defiant Class, Akira Class, Welland Class (Near future, developed during a Borg Invasion in 2389), and the Sovereign Class ship, the design concepts, and shear amounts of power worked into them are incredable. Defiant Class ships (This is excluding the NX-6401 "Defiant" and "Sal Paula") have managed to include the power of most capital ships of every race, but are small and manouvrable enough to not be hit very often. They are very potent ships, and could take on most things in the Milky Way Galaxy.

It's weird though. The Federation, though their primary goal is peace and harmony, build their ships with so much capabilites of war. You look at the Akira class ship. It is a normal Border Patrol/Science Vessel, yet the thing is outfitted with 4 forward 180 degree Quatium launcher, 2 rear facing 180 degree laucnhers, and six phaser arrays. The thing is armed like a war ship, yet it is dubbed as a Science vessel. Then you look at the Sovereign class. It has 6 270 degree Quatium laucnhers at the front, 4 180 degrees in the back, and 10 Advanced Phaser arrays, and that is classified as a War ship. It's amazing how modest they are.
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Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>The Klignons veiw the Romulans as "honourless Dogs" and "Pa'toks". The thought have have a class of ship the same as their hated enemies would instill mean those piloting them would feel they lost their honour. So, in order to keep their pride strong, and the people powerful, and morale high, the Klingons changed the name to better suit it. It all worked out for the best.</STRONG>
The problem with that is that they changed the name to what the Romulans had originally called their ships.

Originally: Klingon Warbird and Romulan Bird of Prey

TNG/DS9/Vger: Klingon Bird of Prey and Romulan Warbird.
Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>PErsonally though, even though the Klingons are the best race in ST, the Federation has the coolest ships. You look at stuff like Defiant Class, Akira Class, Welland Class (Near future, developed during a Borg Invasion in 2389), and the Sovereign Class ship, the design concepts, and shear amounts of power worked into them are incredable. Defiant Class ships (This is excluding the NX-6401 "Defiant" and "Sal Paula") have managed to include the power of most capital ships of every race, but are small and manouvrable enough to not be hit very often. They are very potent ships, and could take on most things in the Milky Way Galaxy.

It's weird though. The Federation, though their primary goal is peace and harmony, build their ships with so much capabilites of war. You look at the Akira class ship. It is a normal Border Patrol/Science Vessel, yet the thing is outfitted with 4 forward 180 degree Quatium launcher, 2 rear facing 180 degree laucnhers, and six phaser arrays. The thing is armed like a war ship, yet it is dubbed as a Science vessel. Then you look at the Sovereign class. It has 6 270 degree Quatium laucnhers at the front, 4 180 degrees in the back, and 10 Advanced Phaser arrays, and that is classified as a War ship. It's amazing how modest they are.</STRONG>
They do that because there are 1.) known threats such as the Romulan Empire, etc. and 2.) there is always the potential threat of first contact gone wrong. They hope for the best, but prepare for the worse. And, sometimes, just having that 'strength' is enough to prevent confrontations.
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@SS: Thats all well and good, but still, therea a little over-kill here. Even the Klingon Capitol ship, a Negh'Var, isn't that heaily armed, and we all know how much Klignons like weapons. Also, the Romulan Warbird, being the largest vessel in the Alpha/Beta quadrant isn't even close to having the fire power of a Sovereign, granted the Romulans are more of a stealhty secretive race. All I am saying, though, is that the Federation could be taken as hypocrites for saying they want peace, but designer their standerd ships for war.

If you ask me, the Miranda class was their best idea. It had a module pod on the top of the saucer section that could be replaced with a weapons upgrade, a science one or whatever they needed at the time. It's a shame that the Dominion war wiped so many out (Approx. 700 Miranda's were destroyed) Oh well, they're still left with half of them! :D
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Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>@SS: Thats all well and good, but still, therea a little over-kill here. Even the Klingon Capitol ship, a Negh'Var, isn't that heaily armed, and we all know how much Klignons like weapons. Also, the Romulan Warbird, being the largest vessel in the Alpha/Beta quadrant isn't even close to having the fire power of a Sovereign, granted the Romulans are more of a stealhty secretive race. All I am saying, though, is that the Federation could be taken as hypocrites for saying they want peace, but designer their standerd ships for war.</STRONG>
Look at the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D, a Galaxy class starship and the flagship of the Federation, until it was destroyed in Generations. It was designed for space exploration, diplomatic transportation, scientific research, and well-armed in case of a need to fight, which seemed to happen quite often. They weren't all that heavily armed compared to some ships. They had two photon torpedo launches(fore and aft on the hull section), two aft phaser banks on the hull section, one fore phaser bank on the hull section(only usuable after seperation), and two phaser banks(one each on top and bottom of the saucer section). The purpose of seperation is for the saucer section to escape while the hull section keeps the enemy 'occupied,' though I only recall them doing that twice.

The defiant class starships were designed specifically to fight the borg and were designed 'in secret' because they violated the...Khitomer(sp?) Accords...or the peace-treaty with the Romulans, I forget which. It was because of the Cloaking Device. It was also so heavily armed that they, at first, had a problem with inertia. It would try to tear itself apart when making tight maneuvers.

Also, remember all of the science vessels that are not heavily armed at all.

Romulans are stealthy. They do most their stuff in secret and use their cloaking devices to sneak up on their oppenent and such. However, supposedly, a Romulan Warbird(the big green ones) are equal to the Federation's Galaxy Class starships in firepower.

Klingons do love weapons; however, they prefer melee combat. They'll go for the all out attack with their Disrupter Cannons, but they'd rather disable your ship, then board it, and fight you toe-to-toe, one-on-one, hand-to-hand, etc.
Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>If you ask me, the Miranda class was their best idea. It had a module pod on the top of the saucer section that could be replaced with a weapons upgrade, a science one or whatever they needed at the time. It's a shame that the Dominion war wiped so many out (Approx. 700 Miranda's were destroyed) Oh well, they're still left with half of them! :D </STRONG>
The Miranda class is cool. Do you recall what class the USS Stargazer was?

Also, in this new series, do you think they are using the method of measuring warp they used in TOS or the one they used in TNG/DS9/Vger?
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@SS: Well, I'll start with the warp. Definatly the TOS way of measuring Warp. Mostly because it would keep it consitent with the past story and such.

Now, about the Galaxy class. Yes, it wasn't as heavily armed, but still, that is a heavier armament then your avergae science vessel really should need. Also, once the Dominion war started up, the Federation (And keep in mind this wasn't discussed in the Series) started developing the Galaxy-X class more frequently (The Gal. X is the one with three naecels), and that was still a science vessel, but had the capabilites of a sustained fire fight with two of any other capital ship developed.

Now, the Defiant. It didn't violate anything from the Khitemor accord for two reasons. One, the Khitemor accord was the peace treaty between the Feeration and Kllingons in ST6 Undiscovered Country. Second, it had nothing to do with the cloaking device. Cloaking devices were banned in the Federation because of the potential danger and threat it presented to it's citizens if a faction like the Maquis ever got one. The Federation has only sanctioned the use of a Cloaking device twice. Once was on the Pegasus, were Riker was a 1st Officer before going to the Enterprise. That was a phase cloak, and was abondoned after the ship went missing. The second time was with the Defiant, and that device was given to the Federation by the Romulans to use against the Dominion. The reason for that was because DS9 was right at the wormhole, they figured the Federation would be able to protect the Alpha/Delta quadrants more effectivly if they could go in and out with reletive ease.

Now, the fact the Defiant class would almost tear itself in warp (Not impulse, it was fine there) was because it had an unusual amount of firepower and armour. To make room for those things, the Federation had to remove certain power management systems, so for a long time, the NX-6401 Defiant would not be able to go past warp 6, or it would tear itself apart. The other original Defiants (the Reliant, and Sal Paula) didn't have that problem, as Miles O'Brian fixxed the problems.

Next...

The only Federation Science vessel that isn't heavily armed is the Oberth Class. That only has two Phaser emitters (Not arrays) and one Photon Launcher. Still, though, that ship is a small 50 man craft, so it can't hold that much weaponry.

Lastly, the Stargazer, which we all know was Picards first command, was a Nebula Class ship, and a nice one at that.

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Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>That is logical, but the question is not so much why they chose that term; but why did they choose to change it from warbird to bird of prey? The way I see it, they got mad at the Romulans for stealing their ships and the term for their ships and so they stole the term the Romulans use for their ships. Petty(sp?), but something I wouldn't be surprised if the Klingons did. ;) </STRONG>
From "The Making of Star Trek" published 1969, page 256: “Due to a recent alliance, the Romulans are primarily armed and equipped with Klingon weapons, ships, material, etc. The combination is posing a serious security problem to Star Trek’s United Federation of Planets." From "the Star Trek Encyclopedia, a Reference Guide to the Future" (updated and expanded edition) under the Romulan Star Empire entry (page 418) it says: ”The Romulans entered into a brief treaty with the Klingon Empire around 2268, when an agreement between the two powers resulted in the sharing of military technology and spacecraft design (“The Enterprise Incident” [TOS]). By the mid-2280s, Klingons were using ships descried as Bid of Prey (a traditionally Romulan term) that were equipped with cloaking devices very similar to those developed by the Romulans. (Star Trek III)

The Romulans didn’t steal anything from the Klingons. They traded cloaking technology in exchange for superior Klingon vessels and weaponry in an alliance that eventually dissolved. They would make other treaties in the future, but the Romulans broke all of them (after the Khitomer massacre in 2346, the Klingons never again trusted the Romulans). Only the House of Duras was foolhardy enough to try to ally with them again (and were beaten down).
Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>Lastly, the Stargazer, which we all know was Picards first command, was a Nebula Class ship, and a nice one at that.

Is it sad that I know all this stuff? </STRONG>
Not as sad that I know enough to correct you. The Stargrazer was actually a Constellation class vessel. Nebulas are a more modern class that doesn't look much like the Stargazer (it had 4 warp naccels).

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.... Damn.. Your right... I'm thinking of another ship... Now what was it....

Thanks for correcting me though.
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Hey, we uber-nerds have to watch each other’s back, right? ;) :D
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Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>Now, about the Galaxy class. Yes, it wasn't as heavily armed, but still, that is a heavier armament then your avergae science vessel really should need. Also, once the Dominion war started up, the Federation (And keep in mind this wasn't discussed in the Series) started developing the Galaxy-X class more frequently (The Gal. X is the one with three naecels), and that was still a science vessel, but had the capabilites of a sustained fire fight with two of any other capital ship developed.</STRONG>
First, the Galaxy class isn't a science vessel. It is more of a multitasker. It does science, diplomacy, etc. etc. etc. Where did you get this information about the Galaxy-X class? That was in an alternate time-line that the Enterprise was upgraded to that and that gave it capabilities above Warp 10. One thing though, is that the addition of warp nacelles on ships that can already reach above Warp 9 does nothing to improve efficiency or speed. Also, the 3 nacelle arrangement can actually disrupt the warp field.
Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>Now, the Defiant. It didn't violate anything from the Khitemor accord for two reasons. One, the Khitemor accord was the peace treaty between the Feeration and Kllingons in ST6 Undiscovered Country. Second, it had nothing to do with the cloaking device. Cloaking devices were banned in the Federation because of the potential danger and threat it presented to it's citizens if a faction like the Maquis ever got one. The Federation has only sanctioned the use of a Cloaking device twice. Once was on the Pegasus, were Riker was a 1st Officer before going to the Enterprise. That was a phase cloak, and was abondoned after the ship went missing. The second time was with the Defiant, and that device was given to the Federation by the Romulans to use against the Dominion. The reason for that was because DS9 was right at the wormhole, they figured the Federation would be able to protect the Alpha/Delta quadrants more effectivly if they could go in and out with reletive ease.</STRONG>


I have to correct you here. You're right it wasn't the Khitomer Accords. It was the Romulan-Federation Peace Treaty, the one that initiated the Neutral Zone. That is why the Enterprise had to send a 'formal apology' and explanation to the Romulan ship in that episode that had the Pegasus.

The Defiant-class was designed for fighting the Borg, but the Borg were defeated before the Defiants completion.(This is refering to the Borg attack in Best of Both Worlds parts 1&2.) I do believe you are right about the Romulans providing the cloaking tech for the Defiant class. However, because of the aforementioned peace treaty and the fact that the Borg had been defeated prior to the completion of the Defiant, the Defiant was not allowed to be used, at least, not officially, until the Dominion threat when it was put under the command of Ben at Deep Space 9.
Originally posted by Aegis:
<STRONG>Is it sad that I know all this stuff?</STRONG>
I don't think so; but, then again, I know all kinds of stuff like this, too. ;) :D
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