Hardcore

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 20, 2009 12:27 am

I've never been hardcore - just gamed a lot when I should be studying or something else, taken gaming very serious and been annoyed at noobs ..... oh wait ....

Seriously though - I do remember "how it was back in the days"; but I also know a lot of it is the nostalgic cloud. And no - I've never been hardcore despite gaming a lot. I can only really relate to item 1.

Loki[D.d.G] · Post by **Loki[D.d.G]** » Wed May 20, 2009 12:59 am

Xandax wrote:I've never been hardcore - just gamed a lot when I should be studying or something else, taken gaming very serious and been annoyed at noobs ..... oh wait ....

Seriously though - I do remember "how it was back in the days"; but I also know a lot of it is the nostalgic cloud. And no - I've never been hardcore despite gaming a lot. I can only really relate to item 1.

You are being waaay too modest

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 20, 2009 2:37 am

Loki[D.d.G] wrote:You are being waaay too modest

Yeah - one of my few flaws

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Wed May 20, 2009 3:22 am

Xandax wrote:Yeah - one of my few flaws

You have flaws?!

But seriously, even though it gets nostalgic, but can you deny that the games generally used to have more content back then than now?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:24 am

Kipi wrote:<snip>
But seriously, even though it gets nostalgic, but can you deny that the games generally used to have more content back then than now?

No I agree with that and I argue that point often as well (emphasis on graphics means less time/resources on content).
I also play more "old" games and would really like to play some specific ones again, then I do new one - save for MMOs. Heck - I've even build up a 700mHz computer with Win98 to run old games on

But many games are still clouded in nostalgia for many people and things were "always" better in the old days.

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:29 am

Well, I would first define "content". If you're referring to sheer numbers of hours you have to devote to it, I wouldn't say the current games have less content. However, said content consists of endless repetition without any substance.
The games of yore had a lot more substance: it wasn't the endless repetition of the same task (maybe with different backgrounds), but something new and unique.
Some examples (beware, console titles are amongst these

): Final Fantasy X had tons of content, but 95% was mindless grinding. Chrono Trigger on the other hand, has fewer content, but the optionals were much better integrated in the game and offered new adventures. Fallout 1 & 2 had a lot of content, yet none of it was grinding. BG & BGII, the same. The Might and Magics were the same.
Above all this: the older (RPG) games frequently had elaborate mechanics, which were in view to you. Mass Effect and The Witcher (which I both enjoy nevertheless) have a pisspoor mechanics system. (I'm aware that the effective algorithms are probably very complex, but I'm rather talking about how much we as players see of it.) Wizardry on the other hand had a deep and complex, yet logical system under the hood.

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Wed May 20, 2009 4:32 am

Xandax wrote:No I agree with that and I argue that point often as well (emphasis on graphics means less time/resources on content).
I also play more "old" games and would really like to play some specific ones again, then I do new one - save for MMOs. Heck - I've even build up a 700mHz computer with Win98 to run old games on

Doesn't that actually make you hardcore player? Usually people build better computers to meet the standards of todays games, but as far as I know only hardcorers build worse computer but be able to play those oldies again...

GawainBS wrote: Well, I would first define "content". If you're referring to sheer numbers of hours you have to devote to it, I wouldn't say the current games have less content. However, said content consists of endless repetition without any substance.
The games of yore had a lot more substance: it wasn't the endless repetition of the same task (maybe with different backgrounds), but something new and unique.
Some examples (beware, console titles are amongst these ): Final Fantasy X had tons of content, but 95% was mindless grinding. Chrono Trigger on the other hand, has fewer content, but the optionals were much better integrated in the game and offered new adventures. Fallout 1 & 2 had a lot of content, yet none of it was grinding. BG & BGII, the same. The Might and Magics were the same.
Above all this: the older (RPG) games frequently had elaborate mechanics, which were in view to you. Mass Effect and The Witcher (which I both enjoy nevertheless) have a pisspoor mechanics system. (I'm aware that the effective algorithms are probably very complex, but I'm rather talking about how much we as players see of it.) Wizardry on the other hand had a deep and complex, yet logical system under the hood.

Yes, I wass refering to the actual content, not just sheer numbers. I don't mind grinding, though, as I do play WoW and couple sp grinding game. But pure grinding does get boring quickly.

To add to your list about games that have content I would say Final Fantasy VII, as you are following plot the whole game, and thus you get new twists on plot all the time. There is also lots of other things to do besdes the main plot (chocobos. gaming and several side missions). One can argue wether FF VII is actually RPG (have heard many times arguments why it's not), but at least it's more RPG than many todays "RPG".

Also, as you brought The Withcer to the discussion, I think that's fine example of todays RPG with actual content. Not just pure grinding, but lots of quests, generally things to do and so on. Not many RPG gets even close to the Witcher in terms of quality of content.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Wed May 20, 2009 5:48 am

Kipi wrote:Doesn't that actually make you hardcore player? Usually people build better computers to meet the standards of todays games, but as far as I know only hardcorers build worse computer but be able to play those oldies again...
<snip>

No no - that makes me a "Connoisseur"

The computer I might buy in a couple of months makes me a powerhungry geek.
But not a hardcore gamer

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:26 am

Xandax wrote:No no - that makes me a "Connoisseur" The computer I might buy in a couple of months makes me a powerhungry geek.
But not a hardcore gamer

Well, you say tomahto.

I rebuilt an old machine to play TIE Fighter though, so I can't really talk...

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:39 am

Nightmare wrote:Well, you say tomahto.

I rebuilt an old machine to play TIE Fighter though, so I can't really talk...

Hey, that's good game!

I haven't rebuild any old computer for gaming, but instead I just kept my old 500 mHz computer... though that computer has XP on it which makes it waaayyy too slow...

:laugh:

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Wed May 20, 2009 7:55 am

Kipi wrote:Hey, that's good game!

I haven't rebuild any old computer for gaming, but instead I just kept my old 500 mHz computer... though that computer has XP on it which makes it waaayyy too slow... :laugh:

It absolutely is.

I had Windows 95 on the machine I rebuilt (out of an old machine that used to run it), and I still have to boot it in DOS to run the game. [/epic nerdness]

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Wed May 20, 2009 10:25 am

Nightmare wrote:It absolutely is. I had Windows 95 on the machine I rebuilt (out of an old machine that used to run it), and I still have to boot it in DOS to run the game. [/epic nerdness]

Hmm... perhaps I should reinstall Win95 and Dos to that comp as well... Anyone knows good place to get them? No shop sells those anymore...

galraen · Post by **galraen** » Wed May 20, 2009 12:37 pm

Kipi wrote:Hmm... perhaps I should reinstall Win95 and Dos to that comp as well... Anyone knows good place to get them? No shop sells those anymore...

For DOS you could try here.

For Windows 95/8, DR Dos or (if you insist) Messy Dos try EBay, you can buy all four on EBay.cu.uk, so presumably you can elsewhere too.

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Wed May 20, 2009 3:51 pm

I had all the old software lying around on floppy's, so it was easy for me.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Thu May 21, 2009 2:08 am

Nightmare wrote:I had all the old software lying around on floppy's, so it was easy for me.

My floppy discs don't work any more

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Thu May 21, 2009 2:31 am

Xandax wrote:My floppy discs don't work any more

Ouch!

My current laptop doesn't even have one. But luckily, my old 500 MHz does, and so far it works

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Thu May 21, 2009 2:44 am

Tried to install Colonization the other day, but disc #2 didn't read

.... nerf.
Unfortunately - I can't seem to find my Savage Empire discs anymore either ...... wonder where all my discs have gone. I usually never throw stuff like that out

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Thu May 21, 2009 10:40 am

I had to convince the computer seller for 15 minutes that I REALLY wanted a floppy disk station on my new rig.

Kipi · Post by **Kipi** » Thu May 21, 2009 12:05 pm

GawainBS wrote:I had to convince the computer seller for 15 minutes that I REALLY wanted a floppy disk station on my new rig.

That would actually fit to the list of Hardcore:
"You actually spend time to convince the computer seller that your new computer needs floppy disk drive, Win95 and such."

GawainBS · Post by **GawainBS** » Thu May 21, 2009 12:35 pm

Kipi wrote:That would actually fit to the list of Hardcore:
"You actually spend time to convince the computer seller that your new computer needs floppy disk drive, Win95 and such."

Hehe.
The problem is that the hardware doesn't always work as desired when using older OS's, such as most videocards. Remember the days of having seperate 3D cards?