Did LOST Just Reference Oblivion?!

LeoStarDragon1 · Post by **LeoStarDragon1** » Wed Mar 04, 2009 9:22 pm

Hello, Banshees!

"LOST" ended a few minutes ago and it was a new episode. The long-haired blond guy, improvised a cover story by claiming his party was shipwrecked on the island and that they were in search of an old pirate ship named the....
....BLACK ROCK! Ta-dah!

Okay, it has been awhile now. Which came out first, "LOST" or the game? If the series, maybe the game writers referenced it. If the game, then the show writers referenced the game. However, due to the nature of the improvisation, I'm betting on the show writers referencing the game.

DesR85 · Post by **DesR85** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:08 am

I'm betting that it could just be a coincidence that both LOST and Oblivion came up with the same name.

LeoStarDragon1 · Post by **LeoStarDragon1** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:54 am

Good Morning, DESR85!

DesR85 wrote:I'm betting that it could just be a coincidence that both LOST and Oblivion came up with the same name.

That would be one hell of a coincidence though! Considering how they like to insert puzzle clues into the dialogue too. Something I forgot to add, is how would that guy have access to the game while stranded on the island? That's one reason why I wondered which debuted first, the game or the series. If the game came out before the series did, then maybe he had time to play it.

Then again, what if the game writers used a name previously used by a pirate movie or book? Hm.

By the way, the series shares continuity reality with "ALIAS"! Was the game ever brought up in that series? If so then, well, maybe the writers of both series have the game(s) and are doing some kind of homage? Albeit, "ALIAS" has been off the air for some time now.

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Thu Mar 05, 2009 2:38 pm

LeoStarDragon1 wrote: If the game came out before the series did, then maybe he had time to play it.

Let us asume that Lost did take it from Oblivion, then you're trying to make sense of Lost. LOST, a show where polarbears live on a tropical Island, where a black smoke kills people,etc. People are going to be mad at the writers of the show when they realize that there isn't a proper explanation for all the magical stuff.

'Black rock' is very common as a name. In the US alone there are about more than 10 black rocks. Not to mention it's a type of stone, the name for about a 100 firms, etc.
It proves that both lost and bethesda have little inspiration when making names up.

LeoStarDragon1 · Post by **LeoStarDragon1** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 12:38 am

SupaCat wrote:Let us asume that Lost did take it from Oblivion, then you're trying to make sense of Lost. LOST, a show where polarbears live on a tropical Island, where a black smoke kills people,etc. People are going to be mad at the writers of the show when they realize that there isn't a proper explanation for all the magical stuff.

'Black rock' is very common as a name. In the US alone there are about more than 10 black rocks. Not to mention it's a type of stone, the name for about a 100 firms, etc.
It proves that both lost and bethesda have little inspiration when making names up.

The polar bears were escapees from the zoo operated by the "Dharma Institute". They were used as test subjects. As for the black smoke, I missed that episode I think. But the speculation I caught was that it is some type of controlled force field. The smoke is provided as means for the remote control operator to see it so that he or she can see what it is doing.

Well, actual black rocks aside, this is in refence to a pirate ship's name. The only one I know of is in the game. (The "Black Flag" is just a remake of it. Refer to my ship quest poll post below. I'm suprised that the "Black Flag" insecticide people haven't used that to their advantage.)

"LOST" does make sense when you follow the clues. If you miss them though, it helps to read the banners during the catch-up episodes.

As for a finale, it'd be nice to see Agent Sydney be the one to rescue them as one final crossover. So far, it has just been the band and the airline.

Oh how I wish I had the DVD's, but I don't.

SupaCat · Post by **SupaCat** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 3:20 pm

LeoStarDragon1 wrote: "LOST" does make sense when you follow the clues. If you miss them though, it helps to read the banners during the catch-up episodes.
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What season are you watching? Have seen season 3? I don't think you have, else you wouldn't make that comment

. It's a shame really that the show goes over the top with some things, since I thought the first season was superb.

BTW: the polar bears were a bad example, sorry

I forgot about the whole Dharma thing.

About the reference thing: Bethesda doesn't make alot of references in their games to populair entertainment (as far I remember, the only thing was the Star Wars reference in the cave on Soltheim), they do refere alot to folklore.

And Lost refering to Oblvion? I don't know. Oblivion is from 2007, Lost began in 2004. Depends what season it was said in. But still, it is a long way to make such a reference that nobody would notice, because those references are for the people who watch the show. References that noboby gets aren't fun and pretty pointless. Blackrock is simple picked as name because it sound cool and is, if even ment as a reference, simply refering to old pirate stories with Blackbeard or any other pirate tale that usually centered around finding a treasure (Oh, how the reality was different).

Your searching to much behind it. (That is a correct expression, isn't it?)

LeoStarDragon1 · Post by **LeoStarDragon1** » Fri Mar 06, 2009 10:46 pm

Hello, SupaCat!

I'm trying to watch "DOCTOR WHO" as I post this. I expected "The Red Green Show" to be on instead so I was 8 minutes late because I had to watch a news report about a movie being made in my state, before switching channels.

What season are you watching? Have seen Season 3? I don't think you have, else you wouldn't make that comment . It's a shame really that the show goes over the top with some things, since I thought the first season was superb.

The current one! I said it was a new episode. Season 3? In Season 1 I bet it was going to be a Time Travel thing and I was right. So more or less I've been watching since the pilot. "Less" referring to how it is sometimes the secondary show, as I have 2 TV's and watch them both at the same time sometimes, when there's a schedule conflict. Hence why the catch-up episodes with the banners help a lot sometimes. Now that they've finally gotten to the Time Travel parts I'm happier.

BTW: the polar bears were a bad example, sorry I forgot about the whole Dharma thing.

You forgot about Dharma?! Huh?

About the reference thing: Bethesda doesn't make a lot of references in their games to popular entertainment (as far I remember, the only thing was the Star Wars reference in the cave on Soltheim), they do refer a lot to folklore.

You need to go here and read:

Oblivion:Easter Eggs - UESPWiki

And Lost refering to Oblivion? I don't know. Oblivion is from 2007, Lost began in 2004. Depends what season it was said in. But still, it is a long way to make such a reference that nobody would notice, because those references are for the people who watch the show. References that noboby gets aren't fun and pretty pointless. Blackrock is simple picked as name because it sounds cool and is, if even meant as a reference, simply refering to old pirate stories with Blackbeard or any other pirate tale that usually centered around finding a treasure (Oh, how the reality was different).

Okay, this time I bothered to look it up. March 20, 2006 for the game. September 22, 2004 for the series. Anyway, "esoterica", or "inside jokes" or "in-jokes" aren't necessarily meant to be noticed by the average person.

They aren't "pointless" as they amuse the writer(s) and the cast and crew, but they can be "pretty" especially if visual.

Read here for more details: Lost (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Your searching to much behind it. (That is a correct expression, isn't it?)

I think that you mean, "putting" instead of "searching", but no.

"A landlocked pirate ship hidden deep inside Black Rock Caverns."

That's a reference to a non-journal quest in the game from the page about it at "UESP Wiki". On "Lost" they already had that one old wooden sailing ship:

The Black Rock ship
A slave ship, which originally set sail from Portsmouth, UK, containing dynamite, is found inland on the Island. The Black Rock's former occupants are unknown. Theories suggest the ship was sailing in an open stretch of ocean when the island moved to its exact location, hence trapping the ship in the centre of the island[original research?]. Penelope's father, Charles Widmore, is seen bidding on "Lot 2342" to buy a journal once owned by Tovard Hanso, the log belonging to the same ship. In a past episode, it was mentioned that the eastern coasts of Africa were part of the African Slave Trade, and it was speculated the ship and its cargo was moving African slaves for mining work to parts unknown when it disappeared. On the Swan Station's blast door map, there is a revision confirming the 'find' of the Black Rock and Hanso's resting place.

Hm. Okay. Having researched all of that, now that I know which came first, it is probably safe to say that the game referenced the series. (Unless the series's ship didn't appear until after it appeared in the game.)

But anyway, still a nice coincidence if it isn't a direct reference, one way or the other.