Atlantis Found

frogus23 · Post by **frogus23** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:38 am

Robert Sarmast, an American, claims that he has 'definately found' Atlantis.

Is it the moment some people have been waiting 2000 years for?

A hoax? Or are the 'coincidences' with Plato's description of Atlantis overblown?

Atlantis found.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:49 am

Hoax. Nothing that have been released (that I've seen) indicates anything solid.

Paranitis · Post by **Paranitis** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:53 am

I just think most Atlantis-searching scientists need to get the crap kicked out of them.

First off, there are like 20 suggested places to find Atlantis by these guys..and they ALWAYS say the others are wrong and that THEY have UNDENIABLE PROOF that they have the real location.

As far as the pictures given as examples in this story, that is a total joke! The most realistic ideas I have heard of with circumstantial evidence (which is really all that has ever been found) that most strongly supported the location of atlantis was in central South America, off the coast of Cuba, and the island of Ireland.

I wish they would actually dig up something before freaking out and screaming at the top of their lungs about how they are geniuses and have the real location.

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 7:59 am

Interesting. I don't say I don't believe it, but I agree with Para, they should brign up something before they go screaming hallelujah. I'm curious to see what comes out of this.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:04 am

Based on his bio, I have to wonder whether Sarmast isn't of the Heinrich Schliemann type--you know, read the Iliad dozens of times, made copious notes, got backing for his trips to Greece, and tried to pinpoint exactly where Troy stood. He got it right. Of course, the big difference is that Troy became the general stuff of legend, and part of Doric and subequently Roman culture baggage. It was common knowledge. But the only two relatively old references to Atlantis both come from Plato, in fictional dialogs of philosophy, and both have the air of being moral fiction intended to show how greed destroys all. I think Sarmast might as well search for More's Utopia: both it and Atlantis are parables by clever authors, rather than pieces of real estate.

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:08 am

Are we even certain that Atlantis existed or could it also just be a myth?

Paranitis · Post by **Paranitis** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:18 am

I am comfortable enough to just keep watching Stargate: Atlantis when the season starts up again.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:27 am

[QUOTE=Rob-hin]Are we even certain that Atlantis existed or could it also just be a myth?[/QUOTE]

That's what I wrote, right above you, along with a few minor details about the myth's origins.

Rob-hin · Post by **Rob-hin** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 8:36 am

[QUOTE=fable]That's what I wrote, right above you, along with a few minor details about the myth's origins.

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That's what I thought but it was fairly complex writing so I didn't understaind it fully.

You know big words confuse me Fable.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 9:24 am

I dont think this is Atlantis, but if that is a real city is an important cultural discovery anyway... perhaps the underwater environment has a better way to keep things unharmed than ouside the water...

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:28 am

Atlantis was most likely a fictional concept - but possible born of some real-life smaller event.
Possible the destruciton of some city could have spawned the idea in Plato, whom then used it as foundation for his work.

While I'm very intriged by Atlantis, and have once read Platos writing (have a translation at home of one of them) - I stronly doubt the existance of a such a culture and the possiblity of it to dissapear withouth much proof.
I think the reason why Atlantis spawns such interest, is that it could be used to explain many unexplainable things in the ancient history of civilizations.

ObsidianReturns · Post by **ObsidianReturns** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:44 am

You guys are no fun. What if it's actually there!
K, its a large what if, but hey. It's in BBC.
If CNN picks up the story I'll stop believing

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:48 am

[QUOTE=ObsidianReturns]You guys are no fun. What if it's actually there!
[/QUOTE]

Then McDonalds will get there before the rest of us.

ObsidianReturns · Post by **ObsidianReturns** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 11:50 am

HAHA, McLantis

Cooking their food with a complex series of mirrors.

Followed quickly by a large theme park, until it is again sunk into the sea for its decadent ways.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:17 pm

[QUOTE=ObsidianReturns]Followed quickly by a large theme park, until it is again sunk into the sea for its decadent ways.[/QUOTE]

Great minds think alike: I was just coming to the same conclusion when your post appeared. You don't think some chthonic ancestor of McDonalds' dead owner was responsible for desecrating a sacrifice...

"NO! WE DIDN'T ASK FOR PICKLES AND LETTUCE ON THE ROAST OXEN, AND WE WANTED GENUINE MEAT, TOO!"

...causing the sinking of the continent?

giles337 · Post by **giles337** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 1:16 pm

[QUOTE=Paranitis]I am comfortable enough to just keep watching Stargate: Atlantis when the season starts up again.[/QUOTE]

Amen

Personally I think that Atlantis is bunk, like most Mythology, and the 17 skulls of christ that were around in the middle ages!

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 4:09 pm

[QUOTE=giles337]Personally I think that Atlantis is bunk, like most Mythology, and the 17 skulls of christ that were around in the middle ages![/QUOTE]

The apparent duplication of religious artifacts was common into the early European Renaissance. It was a great example of cognitive dissonance: the religious authorities claimed it was the result of holy miracles designed to spread faith, and accepted every artifact as genuine.

When I mentioned once in these forums a year or two ago that there were enough pieces of the True Cross found to build an ark for Noah, one of our then-members (Sailor Saturn, I think) got into a fury at my "disrespect."

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:12 pm

[QUOTE=fable]Based on his bio, I have to wonder whether Sarmast isn't of the Heinrich Schliemann type--you know, read the Iliad dozens of times, made copious notes, got backing for his trips to Greece, and tried to pinpoint exactly where Troy stood. He got it right. Of course, the big difference is that Troy became the general stuff of legend, and part of Doric and subsequently Roman culture baggage. It was common knowledge. But the only two relatively old references to Atlantis both come from Plato, in fictional dialogs of philosophy, and both have the air of being moral fiction intended to show how greed destroys all. I think Sarmast might as well search for More's Utopia: both it and Atlantis are parables by clever authors, rather than pieces of real estate.[/QUOTE]Then Schliemann went on to blast right though the level of Troy that represented the Troy from the time of the Iliad, believing the lower levels to hold the wonders and evidence that he sought, while destroying much of his goal in the process. He was a paragon of devotion to his search (for treasure, mostly), but was a very poor example of archaeological technique.

[QUOTE=Luis Antonio]I don’t think this is Atlantis, but if that is a real city is an important cultural discovery anyway... perhaps the underwater environment has a better way to keep things unharmed than outside the water...[/QUOTE]Only if the conditions are anaerobic, which only rarely occurs underwater. Still, there will be many durable artifacts remaining if this is truly the site of a wondrous sunken city.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 5:37 pm

[QUOTE=fable]When I mentioned once in these forums a year or two ago that there were enough pieces of the True Cross found to build an ark for Noah, one of our then-members (Sailor Saturn, I think) got into a fury at my "disrespect."[/QUOTE]

I had a disagreement with my grandmother years ago, when I told her that so many eager monk hands have re-written the bible that the true in the word must have faded. She whacked me hard for the disrespect... I know how you feel.

@Gwally, yeah, anaerobic conditions... never thought about that. One more to my copybook...

I wonder what will happen if they really come to agree that that is Atlantis.

fable · Post by **fable** » Mon Nov 15, 2004 6:01 pm

[QUOTE=Gwalchmai]Then Schliemann went on to blast right though the level of Troy that represented the Troy from the time of the Iliad, believing the lower levels to hold the wonders and evidence that he sought, while destroying much of his goal in the process. He was a paragon of devotion to his search (for treasure, mostly), but was a very poor example of archaeological technique.[/quote]

Did I hold him up as an exemplar for anything other than single-minded devotion to his cause? Though it should be remembered that archaeological diggings of his period were considerably more primitive in their techniques than ours.