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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:11 am
by Yshania
So are Bush' numerous faux pas a symptom of a disability? or are they a result of not being prepared or plain nerves? Are we laughing at what has actually said or at him personally?
Personally - I don't know the man, but I do find what he says amusing from time to time. Especially the being part of Europe thing, when so many British are fighting against being part of Europe.
At the end of the day he is not the only famous person to have made a mistake, and not the only president.
Wasn't it Kennedy who is famously quoted as saying 'I am a sausage'? (Ich bin ein Berliner - or something along those lines
)
It is just Bush seems to have made more funnier mistakes than others. If I was the president of the US I would be content if my public speaking mistakes were the only mistakes I made, considering some of the other embarassing incidents world leaders have got themselves into.
And I agree - let's keep the board decent please. I am sure we can be eloquent enough to get a message across without swearing.
It is dangerous to assume anything. If a thread is likely to offend then I would advise steering clear of it. Ok make your opinion known if you must, but personally I would steer clear.
IMO no-one is personally attacking anyone on this board. It is supposed to be a fun and friendly place to be. Chill out people
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:13 am
by fable
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>I'm being verbally attacked for using a word that is within my vocabulary of words to use and you're telling me to not take it personally? Though they are of five different languages, every word in MY vocabulary is part of MY language.</STRONG>
You're being verbally attacked for implying that a given language, a cultural artifact, is to be used only for heaping abuse on someone. A few nations see their language in this light--the Japanese, the French--and some of us who are native speakers of other languages have similar views of our own, much abused tongues.
Yes, I know that's not what you intended. But words whip and wind of their own accord into shapes we don't intend. Instead of reacting to the words posted at you, consider reacting to the reason they were posted.
Just my POV, for what it's worth.
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: fable ]
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:14 am
by Xandax
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>Gomen, but I'll not refrain from using Japanese words. As I have previously stated, any word in my vocabulary is part of my language. I don't know about those who live in other countries, but I have freedom of speech to use whatever words are in my vocabulary. While I do not believe this includes offensive language(such as "kisama"), I will not refrain from using the other words in my vocabulary.</STRONG>
Following this line of thought, I would be allowed to post all my post in a mixture of danish(native language) and english and/or other languages, and then wonder why people don't understand me (or misunderstand).
Again - this is an international board, and for us all to get along we need to post so everybody understands - mainly english.
Otherwise we (could - worst case scenario) have 1000s of people posting in their prefered language.
[ 08-23-2001: Message edited by: Xandax ]
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:20 am
by Yshania
@Xandax - then you would get me, Gruntboy and Fezek (who incidentally understands Japanese also
) all posting in our Northern dialects - then not even our English speaking friends could understand us
And Mr Sleep would be posting in that wonderful Bristol accent of his
<Yshania runs for cover>
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:37 am
by Fezek
Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG>@Xandax - then you would get me, Gruntboy and Fezek (who incidentally understands Japanese also
) all posting in our Northern dialects - then not even our English speaking friends could understand us
And Mr Sleep would be posting in that wonderful Bristol accent of his
<Yshania runs for cover>
</STRONG>
@Yshania-san..Wakkanai as they say here in Kyoto/Osaka.
Wakkanai is a nice dialectic for "What the bugger are sayin' lad?"
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:40 am
by Yshania
@Fezek - LMAO!
A Yorkshireman's advice to his son:
Eat all drink all pay nowt
see all hear all say nowt
and if ever tha does owt for nowt
allus do it for thisen!
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:49 am
by Fezek
Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG>@Fezek - LMAO!
A Yorkshireman's advice to his son:
Eat all drink all pay nowt
see all hear all say nowt
and if ever tha does owt for nowt
allus do it for thisen!
</STRONG>
-Fezek's head explodes-
Heres a quote from me mate:
Beer in me belly
chips in me gob
footy ont telly
bird on me knob
Howz that chuck?
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:51 am
by Yshania
@Fezek - so that's your mate's long winded way of saying he's as happy as a pig in muck then?
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 9:53 am
by Xandax
Originally posted by Fezek:
<STRONG>-Fezek's head explodes-
Heres a quote from me mate:
Beer in me belly
chips in me gob
footy ont telly
bird on me knob
Howz that chuck?</STRONG>
*LOL* - that shounds like an okay life
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:23 am
by Mr Sleep
Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG>
And Mr Sleep would be posting in that wonderful Bristol accent of his
<Yshania runs for cover>
</STRONG>
Everyone knows my feelings on Bristol!
I'll speak to you in the queens English, i think you would all be confused then
Minerva & SS should take their debate to PM if they have personal problems.
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:26 am
by Fezek
Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG>@Fezek - so that's your mate's long winded way of saying he's as happy as a pig in muck then?
</STRONG>
Wallows in it!
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:48 am
by Yshania
Posted By Mr Sleep -
I'll speak to you in the queens English, i think you would all be confused then
Ysh tries to imagine Mr Sleep with a couple of plums in his mouth but then thinks better of letting her imagination run away with itself again
Sorry Mr Sleep - I thought I might pick on you before you have the power to edit my posts or even ban me
(but then there is always retrospect...
)
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:54 am
by Xandax
Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG><snip>
Sorry Mr Sleep - I thought I might pick on you before you have the power to edit my posts or even ban me
(but then there is always retrospect...
)
</STRONG>
Don't worry - we all know Sleep doesnø't bear a grudge (his attentionspan isen't long enough)
(Uh - sorry Sleepy - I couldn't help myself
)
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:58 am
by Mr Sleep
Originally posted by Yshania:
<STRONG>Ysh tries to imagine Mr Sleep with a couple of plums in his mouth but then thinks better of letting her imagination run away with itself again
Sorry Mr Sleep - I thought I might pick on you before you have the power to edit my posts or even ban me
(but then there is always retrospect...
)
</STRONG>
LOL I haven't got it yet
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 10:59 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>Gomen, but I'll not refrain from using Japanese words. As I have previously stated, any word in my vocabulary is part of my language. I don't know about those who live in other countries, but I have freedom of speech to use whatever words are in my vocabulary. While I do not believe this includes offensive language(such as "kisama"), I will not refrain from using the other words in my vocabulary.</STRONG>
Freedom of speech? This is a board owned by someone...not the US government. Your freedom of speech leaves when you agree to follow the forum rules.
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:00 am
by Minerva
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>To be honest, I'm offended by your assumptions. I have more respect for languages than you realize. I did not use your language just to abuse or offend. As I said, "kisama" is a word I rarely use. In fact, I think that is the first time I have ever actually USED the word. I rarely use such strong language in English and I never use it in any language other than English and Japanese because I don't know the necessary words. I know at least some of about five different languages. The reason I chose to say it in Japanese is because that was the quicker way to say it and the shorter way to say it. I fully expected most people on this board to know what that word means. Maybe my 'assumption' was wrong and most people here don't know what it means, but the people I've been chatting with for over a year now all know what it and many other Japanese words/phrases mean. Your assumption that I was trying to avoid the reactions that would've come of saying the same thing in English is wrong. I see why you're offended, but you really shouldn't be. The use of that word and that language has nothing to do with you or my respect for you language or me wanting to avoid flames(if I wanted to avoid flames, I'd have not posted that post at all). I used it purely for the conciseness and meaning of the word itself. I honestly did not mean to offend you. You may not have noticed, but I tend to use some Japanese often. That is because Japanese is my favorite language, though I still only know a small amount of it. If you're still offended and not accepting of my apology, then Bite Me.</STRONG>
Originally posted by Sailor Saturn:
<STRONG>I'm being verbally attacked for using a word that is within my vocabulary of words to use and you're telling me to not take it personally?
Though they are of five different languages, every word in MY vocabulary is part of MY language.</STRONG>
I marely expressed I was offended and asked you not to pick words to offend other people, and dissapointed you took it as an attack. I am well aware you didn't mean to offend me or any Japanese in the board, and also you use Japanese frequently. I don't have any problem you or anyone who use some words in any other language time to time. However, use it specially to attack or offend someone is different matter.
You say you didn't mean to avoid flame or warning, and I believe you, and I also believe you love language. But, I disagree with "I used it because it is in my vocaburary and it was quicker". This is quite offensive comment even if you don't think so. I am more offended by your comments like these than your original post, actually.
I am just shocked and, frankly, dissapointed as I expected you would know better. I am not going to say anything more, as this could turn nastier, and not fair for other members.
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:02 am
by rapier
Originally posted by Weasel:
<STRONG>This is a board owned by someone...not the US government. .</STRONG>
"Oh don't be so sure, Mr President..."
:: whistles X-Files tune ::
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:03 am
by Xandax
Originally posted by rapier:
<STRONG>"Oh don't be so sure, Mr President..."
:: whistles X-Files tune ::</STRONG>
Yeah - just wait until Echelon IV scans this board - then we'll all have MIB at our doors
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:05 am
by Weasel
Originally posted by rapier:
<STRONG>"Oh don't be so sure, Mr President..."
:: whistles X-Files tune ::</STRONG>
Checks dresses for stains....nope..... no President around here.
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2001 11:09 am
by Yshania
Posted by Weasel -
Checks dresses for stains
So you have a varied wardrobe then?