Josh wants to know why the elves etc went to the Grey Havens.
The Grey Havens was "Heaven on Earth" for the Chosen. It was a place far to the West of Middle-Earth where the first-born went after their affairs were complete (missions accomplished, long enough time spent, etc) to rest. They are immortal, and grow weary of the everyday world and toil of ME, and are rewarded with everlasting peace and rest in the Havens where they are watched over by the Valar.
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Originally posted by Tamerlane The elves were not originally from middle earth.
...on the contrary, the elves originated from middle earth, conceived by Eru alone in the likeness of the Valar. After the awakening of the First Borns (but actually the Dwarves, made by Aule, were the real First borns but were put to sleep again), the Vala, Orome was sent to "fetch" the elves and bring them to Valinor after The Battle of the Powers. On this first trip he brought with him Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe. After seeing the beauty of Valinor and the Light of the Trees they were sent back to convince their people to heed the summons of the Valar.
Thus this great westward movement of Elves called the Great Journey.
Ingwe became the king of the Vanyar (Fair Elves); Finwe became the first Noldorin King (Wise Elves) and the brothers Olwe and Elwe as the two lords of the Teleri (the Last Ones, for they tarried along the way). Elwe never got to Valinor again because of Melian the Maia whom he married. He then became known as Thingol, Lord of Doriath. Thingol and Melian are the parents of Luthien, wife of Beren, it is she who is considered as the most beautiful among all of Iluvatar's Children.
Those who accepted the summons were called the Eldar and went on to join the Great Journey while those who refused were called the Avari.
As for the Grey Havens, this is the town and harbor of Cirdan the Elven Shipwright. Cirdan is a Sindarin Elf who once possessed one of the Rings of Power, specifically the Fire Ring, Narya of which he eventually passed it on to Gandalf. The Grey Havens is located at the head of the Gulf of Lhun, West of Middle-Earth after the sundering of Beleriand.
It is here where the White Ships are stationed and brought the last of the Elves (except Arwen), the Ringbearers and Gimli to Eldamar (Elvenhome) near Aman.
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Originally posted by Maharlika ...on the contrary, the elves originated from middle earth, conceived by Eru alone in the likeness of the Valar. After the awakening of the First Borns (but actually the Dwarves, made by Aule, were the real First borns but were put to sleep again), the Vala, Orome was sent to "fetch" the elves and bring them to Valinor after The Battle of the Powers. On this first trip he brought with him Ingwe, Finwe and Elwe. After seeing the beauty of Valinor and the Light of the Trees they were sent back to convince their people to heed the summons of the Valar.
Thus this great westward movement of Elves called the Great Journey.
Originally posted by josh Oh, I see. So you've got to be either a ringbearer or "un-human" to have what it takes to get there. Does Sam make the trip eventually?
Only elves and maiar (like Gandalf, though he himself was a Ringbearer) were allowed to "get over" the Sea, although there were some exceptions like the non-Elven Ring-bearers (Frodo, Bilbo and yes, Sam who took the last trip). Gimli's case was unprecedented and likely will never happen again. It was his great friendship with Legolas, and perhaps his profound contribution in the War of the Rings that gained him "the ticket" to travel over Sea.
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Originally posted by humanflyz There are too many unanswered questions in the book. We can only speculate.
Like when Gandalf mentions to Pippin and Merry about his fight with the Balrog. he mentions that they were darker and more evil creatures that even Sauron does not know about deep down in the caverns.
Interesting?...
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