Bad money...bad, bad, bad money

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:00 am

@C Elegans, you phrase eloquently how I felt about the situations, which left far too much open and unclear to answer any very specific, number-1-or-number-2 questions. Sorry, @Anatres. We're just going to have to agree to disagree.

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Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:20 am

@fable; agree to disagree on what? That life doesn't contain ambiguities? That there is always a 'number-1-or-number-2' answer? That the 'methodology' must always fit a strict set of parameters? What then of inovation? Or 'thinking outside the box'?

I prefer to be flexible. (Whithin certain parameters

).

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:25 am

Fable & Anatres: I must have missed something when I read this thread, please explain, what is the issue or the specific questions where you disagree? Am I missing something obvious?

Sorry for being curious.

Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:28 am

@C Elegans; I don't really see them either...

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:46 am

To quote C Elegans:

I very well understand the reactions from both Sleep and Fable. The question is too weighted, possibly also too loaded, to make a good ground for moral philosophic reasoning and ethics. The question either contains to mucn information (too detailed consequences) or to little (will I be in a postition where I can have a influence on the big bad multinational organisation? What kind of charity work is the other org doing, and how corrupt or incorrupt are they?)

If what you want is a series of choices based on moral and/or ethical weighting, I can't provide it because the situations you've created are too sketchy (see above) and the exact questions too narrow and stark.

Is that any better? Or am I missing something important--are you seeking something else?

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C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 10:52 am

OK, so if I understand this correctly, it's a question about
1. the nature of the question
2. what the proposed situation will provoke (moral reasoning, reaction to choice-situation etc)

Anatres is looking for peoples reaction to a choice situation, and Fable is looking for moral reasoning, is that it???

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 11:14 am

@C Elegans, I just don't feel there's any situational background being presented to make the answers mean anything. So I'm seeking clarification on what Anatres wants from this.

@Anatres, I almost always think "outside the box." If I didn't, I'd be simply answering your questions like a good little soldier.

I always ask such radical questions as "why?" and in getting to wherever I want to go, I have no problem in taking a shortcut through fourth dimensional space. Assuming I don't change my mind on getting there en route.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 11:14 am

Double post deleted. This virtual space for rent. Apply within, mind the existential pit bulls.

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Anatres · Post by **Anatres** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 11:17 am

OK. The only point I had was to cause people to react (either morally or intellectually depending on their individual style) to an ambiguous fluxuating situation.

Why? Because I'm in a strange mood today.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 11:22 am

Ok, my curiousity is stilled

Thank you, gentlemen.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 11:47 am

Well, it's not a big deal. No harm done.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Fri Jul 06, 2001 2:56 pm

i am sorry i appeared to fly off the handle, i was tired when i worte the post it was at the end of work and it had been a hard day today

So Anatres forgetting my 'fly off the handle' speeches did you glean anything from my previous possts on the subject?

fable · Post by **fable** » Sat Jul 07, 2001 7:47 pm

Hey, let me try one.

You're an executive for a book publisher. You can publish an excellent book that's going to sell maybe 75,000 copies, or a good book that's going 300,000 copies. Either way, you'll make money, but you'll make more if you personally push through that good book, instead of the excellent one. Your boss has also made it clear that he wants to "sell more, and without compromising quality."

You can only choose one account to handle. Which book do you publish?

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Sun Jul 08, 2001 3:46 am

Originally posted by fable:
Hey, let me try one.

You're an executive for a book publisher. You can publish an excellent book that's going to sell maybe 75,000 copies, or a good book that's going 300,000 copies. Either way, you'll make money, but you'll make more if you personally push through that good book, instead of the excellent one. Your boss has also made it clear that he wants to "sell more, and without compromising quality."

You can only choose one account to handle. Which book do you publish?

I would choose the excellent book, the reason being that it would make my company look better to produce a book of excellent quality than an average book. There is also the posssibility that the excellent book would win notification in the press, thus earning us more advertising.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sun Jul 08, 2001 4:09 am

Originally posted by fable:
Hey, let me try one.

You're an executive for a book publisher. You can publish an excellent book that's going to sell maybe 75,000 copies, or a good book that's going 300,000 copies. Either way, you'll make money, but you'll make more if you personally push through that good book, instead of the excellent one. Your boss has also made it clear that he wants to "sell more, and without compromising quality."

You can only choose one account to handle. Which book do you publish?

Publish the good book - unless I've got a feeling that the excellent book will win some prizes or possible sell more copies.

But all things equal I'd go for the money

leedogg · Post by **leedogg** » Sun Jul 08, 2001 4:58 pm

as they said in "Jerry Mequire"(sp)

"SHOW ME THE MONEY!"

anatras- in either situation you pointed i would go for the 20,000. even if i wasn't in a slump, i would still got for the 20,000 up front. then put the screws to 'em!

I don't work offshore for nothing, i do it for the money.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Fri Jul 20, 2001 3:55 am

OK a new one:

Your a photographic Journolist working your way up through the ranks.

You have built up a reliable portfolio, you are respected by your peers.

The one thing your boss says you don't have is inititive. Well today is different, today is the day at the start of your career. You get a tip off about a scandal.

Well you know this scandal will make you famous, but you will also loose your respect from all and asundry. The story will make you more money, but is it worth loosing your integrity?

Choices?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Fri Jul 20, 2001 4:49 am

Take the picture and sell it under an alias

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:00 am

Originally posted by fable:
You're an executive for a book publisher. You can publish an excellent book that's going to sell maybe 75,000 copies, or a good book that's going 300,000 copies. Either way, you'll make money, but you'll make more if you personally push through that good book, instead of the excellent one. Your boss has also made it clear that he wants to "sell more, and without compromising quality."

I would choose to publish the excellent book. If I worked with book publishing, I would be more concerned about quility than money, and the good book would certainly be published by someone else, anyway.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Fri Jul 20, 2001 7:00 am

Originally posted by Xandax:
Take the picture and sell it under an alias

That kind of defies the point of doing it. You may get the money but you dont get the fame, the question kind of resolves around the idea of intergrity or fame

Nice answer though