For the dazed and confused (Spammy goodness encouraged)

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:37 pm

Phreddie wrote:I was in Costa Rica for a week, and I slept for most of it. It was my idela place for a vacation, but the beaches were beautiful, and perfect for early morning walks. It was just too hot or my tastes. If you want to spring the trap, go grab your shorts, Hawaiian print shirts, and your Nikon.

Ireland was a ten day adventure, with two days in London as well.

The financier for these expeditions was my father. While I cannot give you his number, I will happily, provide you with the addresses of the toddlers who used and abused me over the past week.

LOL!

Very nice, in any case. Like most asthmatics, I'll have to pass on Costa Rica: heat makes it much harder to breath, and I find myself sweating and panting (no jokes, please) at 75 F. My comfort zone is about 50-70, and seems to be getting lower as I age.

My regards to your father. It's important to give your children opportunities to investigate new cultures, but Phreddie--take advantage of that. Don't just hang out at the beaches, or attempting to date fine Irish women in those pubs.

Look around. Watch things. Ask questions. Learn things. Learn whatever you can, but take a good supply of prophylactics with you.

Back to the language, There is a Swedish word that translated directly would mean something like "security of justice" or "due process of law", which denotes such things as a fair trial, unbribed police, right to a lawyer, etc. I feel like saying it maybe twice a week in any discussion about national politics, but I don't really know a suitable English word. You have a clue?

What's the Swedish word? In English, I think "justice" would encapsulate it all, because it could be applied every step of the way in the legal process.

EDIT: I am going to have to sign off, now. My wife's home, and we're eating. Dottie, feel free to send me a PM about the Swedish word used, and whether you think "justice" is a sufficient summation of its angles and curves.

Night, all.

Dragon Reborn · Post by **Dragon Reborn** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:41 pm

Ravager wrote:Except that you don't spam and haven't truly done so in months, if not years. And yet, just after people voice their displeasure of recent events all the mods pop out of the woodwork.

no rav...its just a conencidence...

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:44 pm

fable wrote: What's the Swedish word? In English, I think "justice" would encapsulate it all, because it could be applied every step of the way in the legal process.

Rättssäkerhet. Justice is a good word, but doesnt it have an addition meaning more related to "fairness", or something similar?

Except that you don't spam and haven't truly done so in months, if not years. And yet, just after people voice their displeasure of recent events all the mods pop out of the woodwork.

Dottie wrote:Hrm, what do I see? Two evil mods on a token spam fest. Suspicious.

ROFL. Sometimes you are more right then you ever expected to be.

Edit: Night fable.

Fiberfar · Post by **Fiberfar** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:46 pm

fable wrote:LOL! Very nice, in any case. Like most asthmatics, I'll have to pass on Costa Rica: heat makes it much harder to breath, and I find myself sweating and panting (no jokes, please) at 75 F. My comfort zone is about 50-70, and seems to be getting lower as I age.

We had 84 F in Norway where I live this summer, and it was probably hotter elsewhere... Give me snow!

Ravager · Post by **Ravager** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:47 pm

Dragon Reborn wrote:no rav...its just a conencidence...

I thought those didn't exist. How odd.

fable · Post by **fable** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:53 pm

Ravager wrote:Except that you don't spam and haven't truly done so in months, if not years. And yet, just after people voice their displeasure of recent events all the mods pop out of the woodwork.

Quick post while the Szeged fish stew is microwaving: Rav, I've posted several times, occasionally at length, in spam threads over the last month or two, including SS.

The fact that you didn't read it, I guess means it didn't happen. I apologize for reality.

Rättssäkerhet. Justice is a good word, but doesnt it have an addition meaning more related to "fairness", or something similar?

Yes, it does. Justice is the sense of a just measure: the average person receives the same "justice" as the rich and powerful person. Bribery, color of skin, gender, etc, doesn't matter.

Night all. This time, for good.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:56 pm

Dottie wrote:Back to the language, There is a Swedish word that translated directly would mean something like "security of justice" or "due process of law", which denotes such things as a fair trial, unbribed police, right to a lawyer, etc. I feel like saying it maybe twice a week in any discussion about national politics, but I don't really know a suitable English word. You have a clue?

I studied law back in college when I was a Philosophy major, but unfortunately, I can't think of a suitable word or phrase that 1) makes sense to the public, 2) is used correctly by elected officials, 3) or is ever used with any consistency at all. The problem is that Americans tend to use words they don't understand, and they think that just because the words they use are in popular use, their meanings must be clear. What can I say, I live in an anti-intellectual society.

But here are some suggestions. "Due process" is frequently invoked in reference to all of the rights specifically mentioned in the Bill of Rights, which you can read here.. Specifically, you should focus on Amendments IV, V, IV, VII, and VIII. They're only a few sentences long (which admittedly is too much information for the average elected official to handle). Keep in mind that those amendments applu to both criminal law and civil law, since their intention is to protect property as well as the rights of people who are accused of crimes.

"The rule of law" is also invoked regularly on the assumption that we do not live in a lawless society. You can find several definitions here.

You can also try "justice", but it's such a fuzzy word, I can't give you much guidance. Most commonly, it is used to refer to "blood revenge", except in legal circles where it's something more akin to "due process of law" which is sort of the opposite of "blodd revenge" since "due process" is mainly concerned with protecting the rights of the accused rather than the rights of victims.

Good luck in your quest to cope with American English.

Ravager · Post by **Ravager** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 6:58 pm

fable wrote:Quick post while the Szeged fish stew is microwaving: Rav, I've posted several times, occasionally at length, in spam threads over the last month or two, including SS. The fact that you didn't read it, I guess means it didn't happen. I apologize for reality.

Yeah, how many times a day...or how many times a month?

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:01 pm

Thank you Vondondu.

I'll read up. Nice seeing you here btw, been on vacation too? Or just taking a break?

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:24 pm

You're welcome, Dottie.

I haven't posted many messages at Gamebanshee lately because I've been too busy. Among other things, I've been helping a friend remodel her bathroom. She's getting rather old and she needed to replace her bathtub with a walk-in shower, and I talked her into making her whole bathroom wheelchair-accessible while we were at it. That's not easy to do in an old farmhouse.

Also, to be honest, I haven't had much to say in response to the messages I've read here lately. I've never really participated in the spam threads (although I'd like to say "More power to them" since I used to enjoy things like stories where one person writes one sentence and the next person writes the next sentence and so forth). Does anyone care what Classic Movie or Famous Leader I am?

Also, it was recently brought to my attention that some friendships were ruined here a couple of years ago over some crap I completely missed, so I have backed away from message threads where people's feelings might get hurt. When I was out of town last week, it was also nice to forget about the news and politics and other stuff that I myself take way too seriously.

Dottie · Post by **Dottie** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 7:32 pm

Planning ahead is a good thing. Another good thing is to realize when you get older. Over here many older people try to avoid moving into elderly care when they get more incapable. Unfortunately the better types of care for elderly is only available when you need a little bit care, but not to much. Once you pass this window the chance is gone, so it's a decision many people will regret a lot later.

There is a lot of things on this forum that are more sensitive than one could ever imagine.

Phreddie · Post by **Phreddie** » Fri Aug 18, 2006 8:37 pm

Could it atleast be known wether or not Lestats ban was a temporary?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 1:37 am

Ravager wrote:Apparently, no, it's not....and to state the obvious, I'm none too happy I haven't been provided any clarification whatsoever as to why I was demoted.
As I said, I haven't broken a single rule...or at the very least, not one that anyone cared to tell me about.

That is as said between you and Buck Satan. It is neither my place nor right to get involved in that aspect.

Ravager wrote:Except that you don't spam and haven't truly done so in months, if not years. And yet, just after people voice their displeasure of recent events all the mods pop out of the woodwork.

You do not know me well enough to know my posting habbits nor posting preferences. Simply because I (or anybody else for that matter) do/did not post much in the mastadont threads, does not mean we don't "spam" - except perhaps by your definition of how to "spam" for being allowed to do so.

Vicsun · Post by **Vicsun** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:12 am

Hi, VonDondu.

Masa · Post by **Masa** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:28 am

I hate this timezone thingy. All the action happens at midnight(here) when I'm asleep

. I'll tell you what happened in one night:

Cm's thread to criticize Moderator power, intense conversation and closed in five hours. I know the reason why. Then Rav and Luis demoted, now why was that? You keep saying that Buck doesn't have to justify his actions but maybe he could correct the misunderstandings as it seems now that they were demoted for not supporting 1500 -rule. Lestat being banned for spreading some mod-only-info. By banning Lestat you've only made him a martyr.

Was the 1500-rule the final straw that cut the camel's back.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 2:49 am

Then Rav and Luis demoted, now why was that? You keep saying that Buck doesn't have to justify his actions but maybe he could correct the misunderstandings as it seems now that they were demoted for not supporting 1500 -rule.

And thinking rational for a moment would conclude that not knowing the facts, one should not jump to conclusion.
The events between these parties are between these parties. You, nor me, nor anybody else have any rights to know. Buck will correct the "misunderstanding" if he wish, but if he doesn't deem it is something he should explain in public then so be it.
However - could it also be ... just for a second ... that perhaps the other part know more about this then stated.

Lestat being banned for spreading some mod-only-info. By banning Lestat you've only made him a martyr.

Buck has explain his banning of Lestat. Making him a martyr or not has no influence on such a decisions.

Was the 1500-rule the final straw that cut the camel's back.

Do you want my personal (non-Moderator) opinion, or is rethorical?. I do not know.

Masa · Post by **Masa** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:01 am

Do you want my personal (non-Moderator) opinion, or is rethorical?. I do not know.

It just seems that people started questioning mods and Buck after this rule had been applied using the rule as an excuse.

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:08 am

Masa wrote:It just seems that people started questioning mods and Buck after this rule had been applied using the rule as an excuse.

My personal opinion is that some people use this current issue to dig up hatches and take down/attack people they dislike for various reasons, visible in some of the character attacks and hatefull posts being posted (and deleted) recently.

Postlimit in a thread is a minor change, if anything- a policy also existing on other boards then GameBanshee, and is requested so much, that it likely will be implemented into an automatic function in the VB buillitin board software in an upcomming release.

The fact that some people act so violently and hatefull towards this minor change which have no limiting effect on off-topic/random chit-chat posting (everybody seems to realise this, even people against the policy), speaks to me of underlying and personal grudge issues. That is perhaps also why numerous moderators and especially Buck himself, have chosen to not defend their stances, becauce of it resembeling a witch hunt instead of a request for information.

This is mearly a stepping stone.

dj_venom · Post by **dj_venom** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 3:28 am

Xandax wrote:You do not know me well enough to know my posting habbits nor posting preferences. Simply because I (or anybody else for that matter) do/did not post much in the mastadont threads, does not mean we don't "spam" - except perhaps by your definition of how to "spam" for being allowed to do so.

Mastodont. Please, that's really starting to irk me.

Xandax, what really set me off regarding this, is the manner in which it was carried out.

It's what I mentioned in the other thread, it's what I'll mention now. It's raised, members have shown their dislike. How could expect us to suddenly be all happy with it, now that it was done in the dark, without our knowledge?

Xandax · Post by **Xandax** » Sat Aug 19, 2006 4:35 am

dj_venom wrote:<snip>
It's what I mentioned in the other thread, it's what I'll mention now. It's raised, members have shown their dislike. How could expect us to suddenly be all happy with it, now that it was done in the dark, without our knowledge?

I don't expect you to be "happy", and neither does anybody else.
However every single rule or policy which have been implemented in my time at this board have been done so "in the dark" by the people in the appropiate positions (noticeable Buck with the aid of moderators).
This goes from forum rules which are far more "anti-spam" then this, a policy which have little to no noticable effect other then having to restart a thread after 1.500 posts.
It might be your "beef" with the policy, but then where are the protests against any other rule or policy at this forum?