Has anyone tried a pseudo LoTR party for "multi-playering"

Magior · Post by **Magior** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 12:38 am

In 3rd edition, you can multi any combo, any race, and have any level in any of the classes. You could have a Sorceror lvl 13/Rogue 10/Fighter 5/Ranger 1. There are penalties to extensive multi-classing, however.

About the classes, Thorin's list pretty much like what mine would be, except I'd say Frodo's level would be more like 12, Aragorn would be NG and a vanilla Ranger (what sort of a bacstabber is he?) and then there's Elrond. Fighter? Level 16? The Half-Elf is 5000+ years old, son of Earendil (who, among other things, shot down Anglagon(sp?) the Black, the most powerful dragon ever), the leader of Noldor in Middle-Earth and the foremost healer in Middle-Earth. More like a multi Cleric/Mage, with levels in the 20+ range.

Maharlika · Post by **Maharlika** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 1:12 am

Ahhh...yesss... total bliss seeing fellow Tolkien fans at work here...

On Saruman: Didn't know that he was Maiar. I thought I read somewhere that though an Istari he is not Maiar. Anyway, I'll hit my books and research on that...

On Gimli: Hey, Humanflyz! Made your strong point on Gimli not being a Wizard Slayer Okay methinks Berserker would be more appropriate with specs on axes ala Korgan

On Legolas: The Elven Court Long Bow would be perfect for him for starters...then Heart Seeker...(This is an SoA forum so I won't be mentioning the other more powerful LB in ToB)

On Gandalf: Hey Gaxx, sad to say, even if I put some prof points under short sword, his kit mage-cleric does not allow him to use it. Daggers are also a nono.

I'd try to use Elminster for his appearance. Hey Thorin, thanks for your added input! Too bad Gandalf can't use the longsword in this game. Hey Knight Errant, good point on Gandalf as NG.

However, I would assume that he was following a much older set of laws, dont you think? BTW, 4 hours straight and they you're withdrawn?!!!

I spend 8 hours straight on weekends. (But then that's what you get when you work in a foreign country, all alone but still manage to hangout with friends on weekday afternoons and Friday nights... hey, I NEED a LIFE too so I just gotta play BG2

)

On Boromir: IMO his alignment should be LN based on his actuations prior to the sundering of the fellowship. NG? Hmmm... maybe you got some point there... enlighten me more

On Aragorn: Paladin/Ranger holds water but not possible even with SK. As it is, I would still stick to the Stalker and just give him innate Lay on Hands. However, if I'm not mistaken, Aragorn was able to heal Eowyn, Faramir and Merry due to his herblore (which is very much Rangeristic) thus knowing the curing powers of Athelas. This is the plant (often taken for granted by the locals in the area) whose leaves mixed with hot/warm water would produce scent that would cure the afflicted.

Seems to me that I would have my hands full writing on their character background that would make sense in SoA scheme of things. Any suggestions? I'm just concerned that this discussion (which is very much interesting for me, mind you

), might veer away from the fact that this is an SoA forum. Lest I get "flamed" by our honorable moderators. I can just imagine Fable uttering the line "You cannot PASS!!! (remember at the bridge at the Mines of Moria, Gandalf vs the Balrog) thereby banishing me from the forum...

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 12:20 pm

You're in luck. Fable's away for the next month or so on vacation.
Party time!!!

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 12:26 pm

Problem with sam. Halflings can't be bards.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 12:33 pm

Originally posted by Gaxx_Firkraag:
<STRONG>Problem with sam. Halflings can't be bards.</STRONG>

For most of the characters you'll have to use shadow keeper to get them more exact.

BTW the levels i gave for the characters is what i think they were at at the end of the series.

Is it just me or do all gaming worlds seem to have an old wise wizard with a crooked hat and a staff, but can be very powerful when he wants to.
Gandalf- the first
Elminster
Fizban (yes i know he was an avater to pladine but he still acted in the elminster way)

Classic · Post by **Classic** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 4:05 pm

You could use infinity engine to make a long- (or short-) sword useable by mages. Then you´d have Gandlaf swinging his sword without any odd multiclassing!

reedimus · Post by **reedimus** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 5:29 pm

while you are making your own weapon for gandalf, you could make some mithril armor for frodo too. and any other artifacts you may recall. that would be cool. I think I have been inspired to play one of these games myself. this is a good idea. maybe some day someone will actually make a LoTR crpg.

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Sat Sep 08, 2001 7:36 pm

The last time I checked, I think Sierra is going to make a Lord of the Ring game. I am not sure what its genre will be. I only saw a movie about it in E3.

Making a legitimate LOTR party with all the races, abilities, classes, items, etc would be very hard with Baldur's Gate II. A more authentic version can be made using the content editor in Neverwinter Nights.

Xyx · Post by **Xyx** » Sun Sep 09, 2001 2:30 am

Originally posted by reedimus:
<STRONG>you could make some mithril armor for frodo</STRONG>

Wasn't that armor the grandfather of all Elven Chain?

Robin_Hood · Post by **Robin_Hood** » Sun Sep 09, 2001 3:04 am

Well, you could create the Sting at the same time. And they all had a cloak that made them difficult to spot. How about a cloak of Elvenkind for everyone? Also, Aragorn had the ring of Barahir. Don't know how magical that is, though...

@Thorin: in some of the books (LotR?), they reveal that Gandalf was actually strongest of the Istari. And in Silmarillion, they say that Olorin is the strongest(or was it wisest?) of the maiar residing in Aman. And at the end of the war, he was almost equal to Sauron. So how bout Saruman lv 32, Gandalf lv 37? Also, I think that Gimli should be equal to Legolas in levels. After all, he did score more kills in the battle of Hornburg

gnomethingy · Post by **gnomethingy** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 8:56 am

Originally posted by Magior
The five Istari are, in order of rank in Valinor: Saruman the White, Gandalf the Gray, Alatar the Blue, Pallando the (also) Blue and Radagast the Brown. All are Maiar, as Saruman pointed out. And Gandalf's Maiar name is Olorin, elves call him Mithrandir (gray wanderer in Quenya).

Ye-haw.. Thread resurection, good thread too,

I beleive Gandalf was actually ranked higher in Valinor, infact.. I beleive he was supposed to be the head of the white council, Sarumans however managed to persuade the others to place him in that spot.. For reasons you are all no doubt aware of (Now, if this is wrong, dont beat me to death with your shoes, I just remember it this way)

Bombadil was definatly a Maia, theres some reference to him in another book. .I cant recall the name exactly

For anyone attempting to capture a lotr based party I would give the following advice..

Gandalf was expressly forbiden from using the greater range of his powers to help middle earth, so a modest sorcerer or mage would represent him nicely

Gimli is a dwarf, but not Korgan like.. Consider that in book2 he wont fight the human soldiers in Sarumans army becouse there too large and strong for him to tackle and 'the hobbit' there are many references to how Dwarves arnt particularly good fighters unless there very much enraged, which in some ways would support him being a bezerker.. These points are all illustrated further in Sil

Boromir is the only person save Gandalf who as any experiance in real pitched battle, infact.. he has a lifetime of said experiance, whenever the book tallies kills, it places Boromir and Aragorn above everyone else and on a par.. Consider that when you do his stats

Sam should be immune to fear and have good stats, he is a badass midget.. Theres many things he does, and one in particular that with reference to the sil are much greater tasks than they seem

Thats all im writing couse I think the rest is self explanatory.. Thems just my points, hope they help if anyone from this thread is still around

Firinflablaze · Post by **Firinflablaze** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 4:40 pm

Gandalf also needs Nenya, the ring of fire, which would be more a healing ring, and Frodo should be lower in level than the other halflings, though with higher wisdom, for at the end he was weak compared to Merry and Pippin who went around raising the countryside.

Impaler987 · Post by **Impaler987** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 10:23 am

Originally posted by Maharlika
Being an avid fan of Tolkien, I couldn't help but try making up a party consisting of the likeness of the main six dudes of the fellowship of the ring: Aragorn, Gandalf, Frodo, Legolas, Gimli and Boromir. The six out of the Nine Walkers.

Aragorn: Ranger-Stalker, LG
Gandalf: Dual-classed cleric/mage, LG
Frodo: Multi-classed Fighter/Thief, CG
Legolas: Ranger-Archer, NG
Gimli: Wizard Slayer, CG
Boromir: Barbarian, LN

I would personally put Gimli as a Berserker, as magic-hating is characteristic of all dwarves, as is the Berserker style of fighting. Being a dwarven wizard-slayer would almost be redundant, not to mention much less effective.

Everything else looks great, though. Not to mention you've got quite a formidable party, even if it is very melee-heavy.

Bloodmist · Post by **Bloodmist** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 5:38 am

I would think Sauron a cleric maybe fighter/cleric, in the movie.,I know he doesn't in the books but still, he uses a mace, A very powerful mace. and he wears a totally wicked armor. So fighter/cleric or Fighter/Mage.

gnomethingy · Post by **gnomethingy** » Fri Sep 13, 2002 7:01 am

Originally posted by Bloodmist
I would think Sauron a cleric maybe fighter/cleric, in the movie.,I know he doesn't in the books but still, he uses a mace, A very powerful mace. and he wears a totally wicked armor. So fighter/cleric or Fighter/Mage.

Well nothing says he doesnt use a mace, but then again nothing says he does.. given that the ringwraiths are fond of maces and morgoth used a hammer, it would fit the tune if he did use some kind of blunt weapon..

However.. Sauron (During Lotr) has no form nor does he have definable powers or infact.. the abilitie to hold a weapon at all

But in his dark lord form I would say he is an incredibly high lvl fighter mage who never uses magic in combat, given that no one can stand up to him simply bashing there head in so he wears armour.. and doesnt bother with his 'spells' during fights...

Thats rought, obvoisly adapted for bg, but thats my take