Last drop of faith in humanity: gone.

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 2:27 am

[QUOTE=Fiberfar]I do not practice a religion. And I should have used a better word than ignorance. But the size of this disaster makes it IMO too big that I can sit there and listen when people says that it was Gods will. I belive that is was Nature and not God who made this happen. But I see what you mean.[/QUOTE]

Either way, we have to deal with the consequences now.

In general, isn't it curious that people rarely tend to heed warnings, rather being sorry afterwards...

Opalescence · Post by **Opalescence** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:56 am

Truthfully speaking these orphans already do not have a home or a family. Instead of starving in the streets, at least now they have somewhere to live. Granted their lives may be miserable, and they are raped every day, but the fact of the matter is that for the most part their lives aren't that much better off than what it would have been had they been left to fend for themselves. You also have to look at this from the point of view of the criminals and the looters, who have to make a living and put food on their own table. Legality often takes a back-burner to neccessity. As I always say, there is but one thing you can always depend upon, and that is the fact that a person will always make the choice which benefits him most. In essence, all humans can be counted on, especially in times of disaster and distress, to be the greediest, most self-absorbed b**tards in existance.

Personally, if I were the Indonesian government I'd pull the orphans out as soon as possible for use as unpaid child labor. It would increase the work-force for minimal cost and prevent them from being used as a resource against the government by those organized crime groups that deal in human cargo. As for looters, if I were the Indonesian government, I'd give a broad proclaimation that it would be legal to shoot looters on sight.

As is probably obvious I never had faith in the human animal to begin with, so there was no faith left to lose. As far as I was concerned, this is only further proof that the only system in which humans can be decently controlled is either despotism, in which case the iron will of the despot keeps everybody in line, or else democracy, in which case the equal but opposite forces of the people creates a stagnation which prevents anything from getting done -- or destroyed.

Macleod1701 · Post by **Macleod1701** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:04 am

[QUOTE=Magrus]Who's to say something of the sort hasn't already begun? Who's to say who should live and who should die? IMHO this planet would be better off erasing every trace of human existance and letting the other animals and such here live as they were meant to be. Looking at it from THEIR perspective, we're tyranical conquerers who slaughtered them in droves until they vacated their homelands. We steal their young and raise them as pets or for food, or for amusement in cages. I could see that in their eyes, every single one of us is no better than those people looting and selling children all over. Culling out the bad of humanity will only last until new ones are born.

Granted there are good and wonderful people, but still, looking at the situation on this planet, as a whole from the reality that humanity doesn't have the right to take whatever they want or can hold onto, I'm surprised every other species on this planet hasn't taken to attacking everyone in their sleep and reclaiming what once belonged to their ancestors.[/QUOTE]

Yay let Cats rule the earth instead!

Locke Da'averan · Post by **Locke Da'averan** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:40 am

@CM: i agree, there are so many ppl on earth that should be tortured before execution, and every rapist/child abuser/murderer should be executed if found guilty without even considering any other sentence, just how is see it..

@Ekental: i agree, it's easy to judge from here, i can see why they pillage, and steal, but not the raping and other criminalities that do not give profit..

all in all it's disgusting what human beings do to one another.. I think the world would be a better place without us..

Magrus · Post by **Magrus** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:26 pm

[QUOTE=Macleod1701]Yay let Cats rule the earth instead![/QUOTE]

I love cats

Why not, they're self-sufficient, clean animals. Might make a better use of the place than we have.

Sytze · Post by **Sytze** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 3:35 pm

I see most hold the human race in high regard here.

CM · Post by CM » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:46 pm

I hold the human race in high regard. I just hold a portion of the human race to be utter scumbags that should feel the end of a nuclear missile.

GFreeman · Post by **GFreeman** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:53 pm

[QUOTE=CM]I hold the human race in high regard. I just hold a portion of the human race to be utter scumbags that should feel the end of a nuclear missile.[/QUOTE]

I couldnt agree with you more CM. I think that its actually pretty amazing how this whole ordeal has brought the world "community" together. at least we can put down our egos and pride to help each other out.

Magrus · Post by **Magrus** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 7:13 pm

[QUOTE=GFreeman]I couldnt agree with you more CM. I think that its actually pretty amazing how this whole ordeal has brought the world "community" together. at least we can put down our egos and pride to help each other out.[/QUOTE]

Will it last though, or fade away into petty arguments and squabbling like previous times?

Ideal Maxima · Post by **Ideal Maxima** » Wed Jan 05, 2005 8:30 pm

"We have hit a brand new low; pull the planet over, I want to get off."

i agree

i mean common, haven't they already been through enough with the tsunami?
they lost parents, uncles, aunts, guardians, grandparents, and basically family.

This is just wrong children shouldn't have to be through criminal injustice

CM · Post by CM » Thu Jan 06, 2005 4:33 am

Magrus we are humans. We have faults. But that does not mean we do not strive for a greater good. The money the IFRC and ICRC have got will last them a good 4 years with extra money to spend. 10 countries destoryed and enough money to rebuild them to last 4 years. What does that say?

I know for a fact that new years eve with me and my friends was much more sober than it normally is. Asia was on our minds.

Locke and Gfreeman, i think most people feel like that when people take advantage of a disaster. Its odd natural disasters bring out the best in humanity and the worst talk about dualism.

Moonbiter · Post by **Moonbiter** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:56 am

You have to love freedom of speech, part 2:

This lovebird of a baptist preacher and his lovable congregation has gone out in public with hopes that 20 000 Swedes are dead, since Sweden is a satanic nation full of homosexuals, and since many "filthy Swedes" were vacationing in Thailand, God decided to punish them. How I love living in a part of the world were there are laws against stuff like this!

The mind boggles.

Luis Antonio · Post by **Luis Antonio** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 11:41 am

Moonbiter: WOW. I'm sure this guy is insane. What right he has to judge people, other than inside his flock? Damn, If I could travel back in time I'd take him to one of those sri lanka beaches and tie him to a stone.

Obsidian · Post by **Obsidian** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 3:12 pm

Touching on what a few people here have said, there's a line that came out of Iraq from an American Marine.

"98% of the people here are good people, the remaining 2% should be slaughtered without mercy"

Simplistic, but probably true. But who are we to choose the 2%?

And what can we do about it? Maybe nothing, maybe everything.

"ye must conduct yourselves in such a manner that ye may stand out distinguished and brilliant as the sun among other souls. Should any one of you enter a city, he should become a centre of attraction by reason of his sincerity, his faithfulness and love, his honesty and fidelity, his truthfulness and loving-kindness towards all the peoples of the world, "
( From 'Abdu'l-Bahá (Eldest Son of Bahá'u'lláh and His chosen Successor)

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 2:06 am

[QUOTE=CM]Magrus we are humans. We have faults. But that does not mean we do not strive for a greater good. The money the IFRC and ICRC have got will last them a good 4 years with extra money to spend. 10 countries destoryed and enough money to rebuild them to last 4 years. What does that say?[/QUOTE]

How come that you and I and the rest here strive for a greater good, but still there are people who are ready to kill and do even worse things to each other for no rational reason? And they actually manage to cause a lot of trouble and diversion... How come that for some people it's more or less clear what's wrong and what is right, and for some it takes a lifetime to realize what they're doing?

@Moonbiter & Luis: I don't think raving lunatics are a cause for humanity's downfall... This is a different case. That guy should be locked up in a secure cell, that's all.

Magrus · Post by **Magrus** » Fri Jan 07, 2005 5:56 am

[QUOTE=CM]Magrus we are humans. We have faults. But that does not mean we do not strive for a greater good. The money the IFRC and ICRC have got will last them a good 4 years with extra money to spend. 10 countries destoryed and enough money to rebuild them to last 4 years. What does that say?

I know for a fact that new years eve with me and my friends was much more sober than it normally is. Asia was on our minds.[/QUOTE]

Sorry for the late response, I put off seriousness as far as I could the last day or so.

Humanity has its faults and it does good some time too. My comment was aimed at the fact that even with that money, should it last them 4 years, what happens when people have food and things are rebuilt? Will humanity still see things the same way or will it go back to the way things were? Attempting to manipule everything around them for personal gain. There has been a crisis or two before in the history of civilization where everyone pitched in to help those in need and swore to stick together for the common good, and everything fell apart and war broke out between said allies.

I'll believe things have changed for the better once I see stable, constant results. I used to have blind faith in such things years ago, but I've seen and gone through too much to not demand a proof of such things before placing my faith in them now.

It would be nice to believe this has shocked people into bettering the world, it truly would. I just doubt it's enough to make everyone outside of those areas that have been decimated to stay concerned after the shock fades and people go back to watching their sitcoms and reality tv shows.

Brynn · Post by **Brynn** » Mon Jan 10, 2005 6:59 am

Sometimes it makes me wonder
Sometimes it makes me question
Sometimes it makes me saddened
Always it makes me angry but...

When you can see it happening
The madness that's all around you
Nobody seems to worry
The world seems so powerless to act...

It's out of control
Blood on the world's hands
Each day a new toll

Iron Maiden: Blood on the world's hands