Ah. Thats why I feel that way. Because human nature tends to be a bad thing to me. To have a system like anarchy to work would certainly be the end of me-literally.Originally posted by C Elegans
is often people who has a strong belief in the good sides of human nature,
It doesnt mean lack of organization or utter chaos, it means lack of leaders. Atleast that is the origin of the word aswell as the opinion of most people calling themselfs anarchists.Originally posted by Aegis
The whole anarchy thing is a contradiction. For something that means lack of organization, and utter chaos,
Same thing with meOriginally posted by Tybaltus
Ah. Thats why I feel that way. Because human nature tends to be a bad thing to me. To have a system like anarchy to work would certainly be the end of me-literally.
I honestly think humans are far to egoistic, competative and eager to get the better of somebody else, for an anarchistic system to work. Same thing with all "collectivistic" ideas, as soon as a system is dependant on nobody using the system for their own benefit at the cost of others, I think that system is doomed. IMO you can't make egoism work so that weaker and less productive individuals (ie children, sick, disabled, elderly) get the same benefits and equal rights. Well this is a long discussion, but I am sure you get what my general opinion on this is.
Every generation, it never fails: some youth try to imagine themselves as rebels by dressing all alike, using the same outfits, jewelry, and hairdos established by their favorite music idols, who in turn are the product of rich, fat middle-aged millionaires working out of LA.Originally posted by HighLordDave
The place was overrrun with teenage kids wearing black shirts and black pants, odd hair cuts often dyed colours that aren't natural to any human follicle, dog collars and piercings in every place imaginable and tattoos galore. The people waiting for the gates to open were obviously a crowd that styled themselves as non-conformists or folks who were out of the social mainstream.
Will you marry me fable?Originally posted by fable
The sad part is that they'll outgrow any impulse to rebel before they learn what rebellion means, and turn into their parents.
Is this a first for SYM?Originally posted by Dottie
Will you marry me fable?
This is so true. Idealism and naivity often turns into cynism and passivitiy, "it's not realistic", "it's not how the world works" and "it's no idea, what can little I do anyway". Or, in many cases it's just a question of comfortability. Someone once said that nothing revolutionary could ever happen as long as people have a certain degree of comfort, and sadly this is all too true - just look at the rich Western world. It is amazing what people accept, isn't it?posted by Fable
The sad part is that they'll outgrow any impulse to rebel before they learn what rebellion means, and turn into their parents.
They that are discontented under monarchy, call it tyranny; and they that are displeased with aristocracy, call it oligarchy: so also, they which find themselves grieved under a democracy, call it anarchy, which signifies the want of government; and yet I think no man believes, that want of government, is any new kind of government.
Thomas Hobbes
ROFLOriginally posted by RandomThug
p.s. I hate you all and hope that you suffer the pains of all nine hells.
Also, a fair bit of goths are some of the nicest people you meet these days... (really) Why you incredibly sweet thing, you. :bats eyelashes:Originally posted by Dottie
Will you marry me fable?
@Gaxx, nobody is intending to directly criticize you, and I strongly suspect that you are not the norm for your group.Gaxx writes:
Being part of the rocker/goth crowd at school, we actually understand most things about the world, and are some of the most "informed" people in the school.
Most of us have had first hand experience of short-lived high school and college age rebellion and the kind of group mentality that lies behind it (and the commercial exploitation that lies behind that). So our experiences, like yours, are colored by those people we've seen, and known--and, at least some of us, been. Oh, I couldnt agree with you more. There was a group of gothic people at the school, and occasionally, I talked to a few of them, played chess against a few of them. Most of them were really nice. Im not a gothic person, but I know lots. One of my brothers is sort of a goth-he doesnt really put on make up like some of them do, but he listens to the music, he wears all black clothes sometimes, and hes one of the nicest people I know. The steriotype that all goths are wierd and scary and out to freak people out in disturbing ways is WAY off key, and is just a rotten steriotype. And I cant stand steriotypes, usually. I know sometimes I use them accidently, and it shames me to do such things....Originally posted by Gaxx_Firkraag
Hey, not all goths are idiots...
Being part of the rocker/goth crowd at school, we actually understand most things about the world, and are some of the most "informed" people in the school. Or so we like to think anyways.
I'm not a goth, and I don't have tattoos or anything (although I'm might be getting an eyebrow ring soon), and I don't wear dog collars or spikes or anything. I kept my hair very, very short (so no mowhawks or spikes, although apparently I have the "mowhawk head" for one, and one of my friends wants me to get one).
But, I do enjoy wearing black and freaking people out, so that kind of counts for something.
That was quick...Originally posted by Bloodstalker
I think Dottie found his substitute for Georgi
I imagine she'll be heart-broken when Tammy or myself tell her... The idea that laws and morality isnt connected is certainly something that exists in many ideologies. Though imo it has more to do with personal choice than general organization of society.Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
I have a philosophy that has been described as anarchistic, but I don't consider it so. If the law suits my purposes or at least doesn't interfere with them, then I'l obey the law. If not I'll ignore it, and just have to be careful not to be caught.
