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Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 8:06 am
by fable
Originally posted by The Z
I guess that's why they made Sex-ed. a mandatory course at school 
With respect, I don't regard that as a substitute for one-on-one dialog with somebody you love and trust. This is simply too personal an issue to be placed in the hands of any third party, be it by book or class, IMO.
On the other hand, there are issues surrounding sex, such as contraceptives, sexually transmitted diseases, abortions, etc, which do belong in the classroom. That's because some parents will avoid these topics. Some will even go out of their way to see to it that their children learn nothing about 'em, and that can hurt rather than help.
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:03 am
by Yshania
Originally posted by fable
With respect, I don't regard that as a substitute for one-on-one dialog with somebody you love and trust. This is simply too personal an issue to be placed in the hands of any third party, be it by book or class, IMO.
On the other hand, there are issues surrounding sex, such as contraceptives, sexually transmitted diseases, abortions, etc, which do belong in the classroom. That's because some parents will avoid these topics. Some will even go out of their way to see to it that their children learn nothing about 'em, and that can hurt rather than help.
I agree. Initially, I believe, the basics should be discussed between the children and their parents, at a time and pace that is right for the child. I do not foresee that I will be discussing Stds and abortions with my seven year old. Not at this age, but at a later stage or at a time that he brings up the subject, whichever happens sooner. Kids learn a lot of what they know in the playground, we as parents should be open to discuss these issues when they arise. As kids grow, though, many are less likely to turn to their parents and instead look to their peer group. Here is where class education comes in, in my opinion, with all the peer group learning together. I guess one of the reasons I think this is important, is many will not have an open relationship at home, or maybe have never raised such questions, and to avoid ambiguity from what they pick up in their social circles they should be able discuss issues with their friends in a more collective environment with an adult on hand to dispel any myths...
@The Z, sex-ed is not mandatory here until - I think - late junior, but more likely senior school, and then it is not an in depth study. From my own experience - but then I left school a while ago - it formed six weeks at two hours a week of a 'personal development' subject that also covered career choices etc. Prior to this, it was part of biology, where love was not discussed. Some schools do offer sex-ed earlier, with an opt out agreement for parents...
@DW - LMAO! re Barney!
How I hated that programme, and was so glad my kids did too!
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:28 am
by McBane
posted by Ysh:
@The Z, sex-ed is not mandatory here until - I think - late junior, but more likely senior school, and then it is not an in depth study. From my own experience...
As a tutor?? For a minute there, I thought you were going to regale us with stories of your past indescretions....
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:35 am
by dragon wench
lmao
Only in SYM would a thread that begins with a discussion on children's books end up as a conversation about sex ed
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 10:37 am
by Yshania
Originally posted by McBane
As a tutor?? For a minute there, I thought you were going to regale us with stories of your past indescretions....
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You thought I might have past indiscretions??
if I did do you think I would discuss them publically without a psychiatrist or at least a lawyer present?
I am not a tutor! - I lack too many qualifications!
Posted: Fri Jul 19, 2002 6:33 pm
by Obsidian
You know, I don't think I ever had the talk. Have had a series of smaller talks, but the one thing they said that stuck with me, is whatever happens, you stick with it, regardless of the consequences. Hadn't thought of the many consequences to sex before that. Now, something I think about.
It seems healthier to me to have a culture where sex is out in the open and not deemed dirty and wrong. It'd be nice if education could explain it in more positive terms.
I agree that some parts of the education should be done by parents, the personal stuff that the family believes in and the morals they want to pass down to you.
Technical details however, are I'll bet are hard for parents to discuss with their kids. I wouldn't want to hear about it from my folks...
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 2:31 am
by Maharlika
What, duh... NOT AGAIN!!!
Originally posted by thantor3
11. Some Kittens Can Fly...
...Kites
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 7:23 am
by Ode to a Grasshopper
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 8:15 am
by The Z
1) The ABC's of Swearing
By the way, I never had the talk either. Some of the people I hang out with are very strange........my lessons are straight from the street
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 9:10 am
by thantor3
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 3:31 pm
by C Elegans
Originally posted by dragon wench
lmao
Only in SYM would a thread that begins with a discussion on children's books end up as a conversation about sex ed
Yep, I love the ways these spam-allowed discussion threads evolve
Re sexual education, I agree with what other have already posted, that good books and such are good, but cannot replace parental responsibility for discussion these issues with children. The basics of human reproduction and relationships are IMO important that all parents discuss with their children - not one single time in some kind of "the talk", but naturally and integrated, just like any other topic. Later on, school also has a resposibility for education about more problematic areas, like Ysh examplifies: STD:s, abortion, sexual abuse, peer pressure, etc.
My own parents were very open and willing to explain a lot about sex and adult relationships, simple things that always made me feel sex was something completely natural, no different from other human needs.
Technical details however, is something often more suitable to discuss with peers rather than the parents...
I had a childhood friend from France, and when we were about 11 or so, he told me his mother had taught him how to kiss. I was abhorred by the idea of having a parent teaching you that, but he convinced me to to allow him to demonstrate it has it advantages...which I must admit it certainly had!
And he was very cute too...
Posted: Sat Jul 20, 2002 11:54 pm
by Ode to a Grasshopper
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:21 am
by Tamerlane
That Mah's some troublemaker
@Odie. Whats that book called written by that Chopper Read chap. Thats a book that shouldn't of made it but actually did
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:47 am
by Ode to a Grasshopper
I forget, but I guess it's not much worse than the other proposed titles...
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2002 1:49 am
by Tamerlane
Well nevermind, its a shame it made it off the list though of proposed titles.
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2002 6:18 am
by Yshania
Posted: Sun Jul 21, 2002 11:31 pm
by Ode to a Grasshopper
You seem to have developed quite the fixation on Tammy's alleged kite flying, Mah.
Maybe one of those Thai mistresses might not be such a bad idea for you after all...
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2002 2:48 am
by Ode to a Grasshopper