Need for Worship

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Tue May 14, 2002 2:18 pm

Originally posted by frogus
Logic. The only thing that gets me angry is a refusal to accept logic...I imagine it is similar for a Christian when someone just refuses blank to accept God.

I guess that would make Socrates my god-figure, but I am unsure if this is an instinct or not. Any thiest will tell you that they came to believe in God through rational reflection, but I am convinced that this is not the case - I believe that it is an irrational subonscious instinct which makes them believe in God. It could be the same with me...maybe logic cannot be arrived at through rational thought, but is just there or not there. However, I think that it is a component of consciousness, in the same way as meaningfullness.

Irrational subconscious instinct? I dunno about that, considering that some of the greatest minds who've ever lived believed in God, or a god; among many others - Aristotle, the Apostle Paul, Luther, Newton (who was a religious fanatic), Copernicus, Locke, Pascal, Jefferson, Einstein, Lewis, and Tolkien. You can't get more rational than some of these men.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Tue May 14, 2002 2:35 pm

Ok, good questions. I, GOD will answer them to the best of my abilities(far better than any of you can

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Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Do we as human beings have a natural predisposition to worship? I don't mean religion specific, you just have to look at the stadiums and terraces of your local sports ground to see people praising the stars.

I gave humans the need to worship things. It was originally meant that only worshipping me, but I being the great god I am, decided to broaden that, to allow celebrities and other people to be worshipped too.

i don't know.. maby God as an entity is too abstract.

I'm not really. It takes simple elementary school geometry to figure this one out. Take x/y + (3x - 4ad )^2, /nu^4*3p*74893v^3

I would agree that our sports players are not described like gods or the like.

They are lucky, because I accept no rivals.

I worship God out of love, gratitude, and thankfulness.

Ofcourse.

I dunno about that, considering that some of the greatest minds who've ever lived believed in God, or a god; among many others - Aristotle, the Apostle Paul, Luther, Newton (who was a religious fanatic), Copernicus, Locke, Pascal, Jefferson, Einstein, Lewis, and Tolkien. You can't get more rational than some of these men.

uh oh, I never told the humans the truth about these guys. Well here it is. They are all none other than me in human form. When I felt humans, were getting to stupid and needed some enlightenment, then I took these forms, came up with some abstract thought and there we got alot of knowledge.

This is not a laughing matter. I can send you to hell if I want.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue May 14, 2002 2:39 pm

Re: Re: Need for Worship

Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield
Ok, good questions. I, GOD will answer them to the best of my abilities(far better than any of you can )

LOL

Good stuff Thorin

frogus · Post by **frogus** » Wed May 15, 2002 12:41 am

lucky he was on hand to sort that out

. Anyway, I've decided that I don't really worship logic at all. I think I was maybe clutching at straws...I certainly believe in Socrates, and but it takes absolutely no 'leap of faith' to believe that he was how he was. Many people have been similar (and greater, smarter, more logical) since, and it certainly doesn't require anything other than belief in what a large number of experts tell you (which I'm pretty sure we all have) to believe in him, as documented. If someone wrote a book about Jesus constantly being nice to people, it would not require a leap of faith to believe in him - niceness is a regularly witnessed human characteristic. So's logic, magic powers aren't though...anyway, that's not important.

Thinking again, I think the closest I have come to worship was upon seeing the Radiohead gig last summer, with 30000 people, and meeting a Michaelangelo sculpture for the first time.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed May 15, 2002 9:06 am

Personally, I'm obviously not very prone to worshipping anything. Great art, great science, the beauty of nature and getting a glimpse of the intricate and complex mechanisms that is our universe, our planet and life often induce a strong feeling of awe, fascination and happyness in me - but worship is not the right word for this.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Wed May 15, 2002 8:06 pm

Aside from the fact that my cat rules the world (As do all cats, as anyone who has a cat will know), I've never felt the need to worship anything. I realized I didn't believe in God when I was about four years old, and since then I've decided I can manage quite well without the need for gods/forces/whatever.

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Wed May 15, 2002 8:14 pm

Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
Aside from the fact that my cat rules the world (As do all cats, as anyone who has a cat will know), I've never felt the need to worship anything. I realized I didn't believe in God when I was about four years old, and since then I've decided I can manage quite well without the need for gods/forces/whatever.

Oh well. Your loss...

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Wed May 15, 2002 8:22 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans
Personally, I'm obviously not very prone to worshipping anything. Great art, great science, the beauty of nature and getting a glimpse of the intricate and complex mechanisms that is our universe, our planet and life often induce a strong feeling of awe, fascination and happyness in me - but worship is not the right word for this.

But is the artwork more praiseworthy than the artist behind its conception?

Ode to a Grasshopper · Wed May 15, 2002 9:25 pm

Originally posted by EMINEM

Oh well. Your loss...

Yeah, I know. But I'm pretty sure my cat will forgive me eventually.

EDIT-Does this remind anyone else of the Simpsons episode where Lisa finds the "Angel" skeleton, specifically the bit when Lisa and Marge are discussing whether or not angels exist?

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Thu May 16, 2002 7:38 am

Originally posted by EMINEM
But is the artwork more praiseworthy than the artist behind its conception?

It depends - some people who have produced great art and great science are IMO highly praiseworthy people, but you don't have to be a generally great and "good" person to be able to make good things. Famous Swedish writer August Strindberg for instance was a horrible person - but his works are still great literature (even if I personally don't like Strindberg). Philosopher Bertand Russell on the other hand was IMO a person worth to admire not only for his philosophical work but also for his deep humanistic values. The artist/scientist is not identical to his/her work, even if the work is part of the person who created it.

frogus · Post by **frogus** » Thu May 16, 2002 10:17 am

Originally posted by EMINEM

But is the artwork more praiseworthy than the artist behind its conception?

Del Tha Funkee Homosapien lyric:
'people think they make music still, when music is there without you or me we just manipulate for better or worse'.

That's not my opinion, I believe that people create art. I am not spiritual enough to believe in art floating around *outside* peoples heads. Not really on topic though, so I'll shut up...