Star Wars II

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 3:46 pm

Originally posted by frogus
ps nice addition to your sig @sleep

Thankyou, but which one?

VoodooDali · Post by **VoodooDali** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 4:08 pm

Originally posted by frogus
Hey...I wouldn't..ummm...yeah. I wish they would kill a whole lot of them off. Jar Jar was awful, but no worse IMHO than Ewan Mc****ingGregor. He was appalling. Episode one was a disguting sell out which ruined the whole magic. It had the feel of a Sccoby-Doo toy you get in McDonald's saying McD's tm made in Taiwan on the bottom. I only saw the old Star Wars's when I was 11 (three-ish years ago) and I loved them. They were exciting and even thought they put in the cheap comedy character (yoda) they loaded him up with a superior kind of charisma whcih gave the movies some dignity. Like when your big bro used to come in to first school and stop all the other kids from picking on you (alright I don't have a brothetr, but you get the idea), even though Star Wars was playing along with childish fantasies shamelessly, it was doing it in a mature, dignified, cool way. Now Star Wars is like when yor brother got a girlfriend and never spoke to you again, just started smoking.

I think part of the deal here is that when George Lucas wrote the first SW trilogy, he consulted with Joseph Campbell and tried to make sure that it followed the traditional mythological stories of heroes. I think this is why it was so universally loved. The recent sequels don't have this careful attention to mythology and plot, and it shows.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 6:39 pm

Originally posted by Morlock
William Defoe is just creepy.

He's the bad guy! That's the point!

I think Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin is inspired casting

I think its funny that Christopher Lee, who a year ago was just an old actor who played drakula, a James Bond villain and a few other things, is all of a sudden transformed into an acomplished actor, who is the bad guy in 4 of the most anticipated movies in the coming years! (LoTR and Star Wars)
I am not 100% sure he is the bad guy in Star wars, but I think if he has an alter ego, a Darth before his name, and his name is Tyranus- its pretty obvious. In imdb he is credited as Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus .

1. He's Christopher Lee - he's always the bad guy!

2. "just an old actor... suddenly transformed into an accomplished actor"?!?!?

How dare you!!

Spiderman looked cool from the trailers. Shame about the original trailer though...

HighLordDave · Post by **HighLordDave** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 6:42 pm

In TPM, George seem obsessed with eye candy and merchandising. He forgot that the marketing bonanza that SW: ANH created was entirely by accident. People loved his movie so much they bought everything with the Star Wars logo on it, not the other way around.

When Heir to the Empire by Timothy Zahn and the Dark Empire comic book series came out in the early 1990s, it rejuvenated a dormant franchise and paved the way for the original trilogy re-releases. TPM almost single-handedly killed everything the Expanded Universe built.

As I was watching the movie, I saw very little substance and was picturing in my mind which parts were going to become video games (the pod race, the space battle, the Battle for Naboo, etc.). It was as if George forgot everything that made Star Wars so great and why its legion of fans are the second most loyal and fanatical in the galaxy (Trekkies being the first).

I hope that George learned and has infused AOTC and E3 with far more substance than TPM had. The New Jedi Order and some of the other Expanded Universe products are amazing, but if the movies suck any worse, Star Wars is going to lose an entire generation of fans.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 6:51 pm

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Yes but we get to see him go bad in the second.

Star Wars II: When Good Jedi Go Bad

(Is the plural of Jedi "Jedi" or "Jedis"?)

Tamerlane · Post by **Tamerlane** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 6:53 pm

Well it sure beats the Clone title.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 7:02 pm

Originally posted by Tamerlane
Well it sure beats the Clone title.

Most titles would

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 8:21 pm

Originally posted by Georgi
(Is the plural of Jedi "Jedi" or "Jedis"?)

Jedi.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 8:31 pm

Originally posted by Kayless
Jedi.

That's what I thought!

Aegis · Post by **Aegis** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:07 pm

Originally posted by Georgi

Star Wars II: When Good Jedi Go Bad

(Is the plural of Jedi "Jedi" or "Jedis"?)

Well, anything is better then something that sounds like some B-rated horror flick.

humanflyz · Post by **humanflyz** » Mon Mar 11, 2002 11:25 pm

From what I've seen on Fox last Sunday, Episode II looks amazing and way better than the first episode, from a technical and graphical perspective. I know that may prove to be the bane of the movie, but considering the special FX in Ep. 1(which, IMO, are kind of cheap), I think I can at least expect some really good eye-candy. I'll just walk into the theater expecting nothing more than a piece of eye-candy with a plot slapped on to it.

Yay!!!!! This is my 300th post.

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:19 am

Originally posted by Georgi

He's the bad guy! That's the point! I think Willem Dafoe as the Green Goblin is inspired casting

1. He's Christopher Lee - he's always the bad guy!
2. "just an old actor... suddenly transformed into an accomplished actor"?!?!? How dare you!!

Spiderman looked cool from the trailers. Shame about the original trailer though...

Ahhhh, its always nice to wake up to a scolding from Georgi!

A. I meant creepy person, actor and otherwise. I simply don't like movies with him. He ruined Platoon for me, same with clear an present danger (although that wasn't great in the first place), and same when he played the vampire last year (can't remember the name).

B. Why do you have to patronize me, even though I am in agreement with you!

C. Sorry I was so simplistic, but come on, before I knew he was in LoTR, he was Dracula- irelevent of anything else he did, he will always be Dracule- but when you reach two (one already, and the second-Obviously bound to be) extriemely succesful series, that changes your (or atleast my) perspective.
So now he is Dracula, Saruman and possibly Darth Tyranus!

I thought Spiderman looked corny and uninventive.
Scooby Doo looks much more impressive.

BTW the riginal trailers weren't amazing either- they were better than the current ones, but still.

Despite the name, Episode 2 looks much better than 1.
Anakin dual wielding, Ian Mcdiarmid has a much bigger part as Darth sidious/ Supreme Chansler Palpatine- I think he looked very good in the trailers, again, Christopher Lee, The story seems better, certainly the actor playing Anakin is better and they have Boba Fet kind of character- who can't go wrong.

BTW- congrats Humanflyz!

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:33 am

Originally posted by Morlock
Ahhhh, its always nice to wake up to a scolding from Georgi!

We aim to please

A. I meant creepy person, actor and otherwise. I simply don't like movies with him. He ruined Platoon for me, same with clear an present danger (although that wasn't great in the first place), and same when he played the vampire last year (can't remember the name).

Oh well, I guess I'll let you off then

I liked him in Platoon and Shadow of the Vampire, although the latter was fairly disappointing overall.

B. Why do you have to patronize me, even though I am in agreement with you!

It passes the time

Sorry I was so simplistic, but come on, before I knew he was in LoTR, he was Dracula- irelevent of anything else he did, he will always be Dracule- but when you reach two (one already, and the second-Obviously bound to be) extriemely succesful series, that changes your (or atleast my) perspective.
So now he is Dracula, Saruman and possibly Darth Tyranus!

Ok, ok... Well you ought to see The Wicker Man, it could give you a whole new perspective

I thought Spiderman looked corny and uninventive.
Scooby Doo looks much more impressive.
BTW the riginal trailers weren't amazing either- they were better than the current ones, but still.

Oh, I just liked the one where he spun a web between the towers... not surprised it was cut though.

Scooby Doo does have a good trailer

Despite the name, Episode 2 looks much better than 1.
Anakin dual wielding,

He does? Obviously by the time he became Darth Vader, he decided single wielding was a better option

Kind of like the mysterious dying-out of the double-ended lightsabre

Ian Mcdiarmid has a much bigger part as Darth sidious/ Supreme Chansler Palpatine- I think he looked very good in the trailers, again, Christopher Lee, The story seems better, certainly the actor playing Anakin is better and they have Boba Fet kind of character- who can't go wrong.

I don't like the look of Hayden Christiansen, although admittedly he'll be better by virtue of not being Jake Lloyd... he doesn't really look much like him though.

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:39 am

@Sleepy: Thanx for the link! that was hillarious!
Although I didn't apritiate the joke about the music!

Morlock · Post by **Morlock** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:44 am

Wow Georgi, I'm impressed!

You conceded, to a cetain extent to all my comments!

You musn't let this happen again!

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 6:03 am

Originally posted by Morlock
I meant creepy person, actor and otherwise. I simply don't like movies with him. He ruined Platoon for me, same with clear an present danger (although that wasn't great in the first place), and same when he played the vampire last year (can't remember the name).

What about White Sands, or American Psycho. The latter he might not be a star in, but it is a very good film. White sands is one of my favourite movies from the eighties, really good IMO

So now he is Dracula, Saruman and possibly Darth Tyranus!

It is the unfortunate problem of being memorable in roles, look at Michael Rooker (Henry Portrait of a serial killer) it took him about 10 years to get away from the movie and ever now he still plays characters who are a little psychotic. There is little that can be done about this, i guess it is up to actors to chose diverse roles, but with some actors (like Lee) they are just intimidating by trait and can't avoid that.

Side note: doesn't Darth Tyanus, sound a bit riduculous, it's like calling him "Darth evil bad guy", it sounds like some kind of camp theatrical name to me, i will keep expecting someoen to shout "Oh no he isn't" all the way through the movie

certainly the actor playing

Lets face it though you are still disturbed with the idea of him having sex with Natalie Portman?

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 6:15 am

Originally posted by HighLordDave
As I was watching the movie, I saw very little substance and was picturing in my mind which parts were going to become video games (the pod race, the space battle, the Battle for Naboo, etc.). It was as if George forgot everything that made Star Wars so great and why its legion of fans are the second most loyal and fanatical in the galaxy (Trekkies being the first).

Was there the much substance in the first movie? It seems that most people forget that Star Wars is not that great a cinematic movie, it is not exactly Citizen Cain. What it does well is make use of special effects, it is basically a common story of good versus evil.

Perhaps i shouldn't have mentioned this

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:28 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep
Was there the much substance in the first movie? It seems that most people forget that Star Wars is not that great a cinematic movie, it is not exactly Citizen Cain. What it does well is make use of special effects, it is basically a common story of good versus evil.

Reminds me of what Roger Ebert once wrote about Star Wars: "To see Star Wars again after 20 years is to revisit a place in the mind. George Lucas' space epic has colonized our imaginations, and it is hard to stand back and see it simply as a motion picture, because it has so completely become part of our memories. It's as goofy as a children's tale, as shallow as an old Saturday afternoon serial, as corny as Kansas in August... and a masterpiece." Star Wars is a great movie. Despite all its failings, it's more than the sum of its parts.

Mr Sleep · Post by **Mr Sleep** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 1:54 pm

Originally posted by Kayless
Star Wars is a great movie. Despite all its failings, it's more than the sum of its parts.

I agree with your point, there is a certain nostalgia surrounding the film, but is that enough?

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Tue Mar 12, 2002 2:22 pm

Originally posted by Mr Sleep
I agree with your point, there is a certain nostalgia surrounding the film, but is that enough?

For me it is. Your milage may vary.