How is everybody today?

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 1:39 pm

Yesterday, there were threats against the community college here in town - for what reason, I don't know, probably copy-cat violence. My daughter's day-care is near one of their branches. Needless to say, we picked her up early....

What is article 5 of NATO?

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 1:54 pm

I know I said I was leaving but I feel this is very important...

Re Gwally's signature "Give Blood":

According to the RI Blood Center, it is NOT good for everyone to jam the blood drives in one fell swoop. Due to the short shelf-life of many transfusion products, they cannot preserve so great a quantity of blood; and at some point the donated blood will become worthless. And the thousands who donate all in two or three days won't ba able to donate agian for another 8 weeks.

What they want, rather, is for people to stagger their donations. So that there's a more steady stream of donations every day. Not thousands in one blow. SO it may be best to wait some days, or even a week or more.

Also don't forget, there is going to be a strain on the local blood supplies because of this. So they are going to need donations for a long time yet.

Just thought I'd share that, for those who might be thinking about donating

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:00 pm

@Loner - thanks for the reminder - I did not think of that.

I have altered my sig...

scully1 · Post by **scully1** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:03 pm

@Yshania -- that's great

I think I'm actually going to post that as a topic, so everyone can read it.

Gwalchmai · Post by **Gwalchmai** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:15 pm

Good point Loner. I haven't gone to give yet, because the lines are very long. I was planning on waiting a few days. I was thinking in terms of stressing out the people who take the blood, since crowds of people can make the work harder. But its a good point to wait a bit in order to keep the blood supply fresh.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:21 pm

Originally posted by Gwalchmai:
What is article 5 of NATO?

It's the article that says an attack against one of the NATO countries in considered an attack against the alliance as a whole.

In other words - NATO as an alliance consider themselves attacked and all the 18 NATO countries will give full support with military, intelligence and political/diplomatical resources. If the US is at war, NATO is at war.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:23 pm

Originally posted by Sojourner:
Shaky. My family is at risk, and I am extremely upset. I am still waiting on word from friends. There are no words sufficient to describe this...

I'm so sorry to hear this

I hope your family will be safe, and that your friends have survived

I know there are no words - I don't have any either

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:29 pm

Originally posted by jennabard:
it has already started

there is a mosque in tempe, az, recieving threats. the police are patroling the area to insure their safety.

The Arab and Muslim world and people will probably be stigmatised for a long time...

I feel very sorry for all those 250 million people who have nothing at all to do with the terrorist attack

And Israel has said they will now take stronger acting against the Palestinians

I'm sorry to hear about all your family has gone through

I hope you will have a more peaceful life in the future.

@Ysh: A lot of things will change in the UK too. More than here in Sweden, certainly.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 2:30 pm

Originally posted by Sojourner:
Shaky. My family is at risk, and I am extremely upset. I am still waiting on word from friends. There are no words sufficient to describe this...

I hope everything turns out for the best.

Sadly my friends father hasn't come back. He's been crying for the whole day. I feel so bad.

Sojourner · Post by **Sojourner** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:18 pm

Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield:
I hope everything turns out for the best.

Sadly my friends father hasn't come back. He's been crying for the whole day. I feel so bad.

Please give him your full support. I know what it's like to be without it - we're in that boat now.

ThorinOakensfield · Post by **ThorinOakensfield** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:26 pm

My condolences for you Sojourner.
It is so sad.
Why did they have to do this?
Its so unfair.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 3:32 pm

Originally posted by ThorinOakensfield:
Sadly my friends father hasn't come back. He's been crying for the whole day. I feel so bad.

I'm sure you will give your friend all support you can even though you feel incredibly bad yourself

I hope your father is OK - he must be totally devastated having witnessed the attack and having his building collapsed

jennabard · Post by **jennabard** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 4:19 pm

i wish i could meet all of you and give you hugs, especially those who face uncertainty and loss. >hugs to you sojournor, thorin, and DP< we are here for you.
you are not alone.

josh · Post by **josh** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:10 pm

Today I'm feeling tired and gloomy. The cloud and rain we're having isn't helping. I've been loaded with 3 major assignments and in no mood to work.

jennabard · Post by **jennabard** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:28 pm

i'm listening to the radio

people under the rubble in nyc are using cell phones to reach out. i just heard that a woman and 3 police officers were rescued that way. more are keeping contact with their families as the workers are trying to find and get them out.

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:46 pm

Oh no!

I feared this

Israel has not only gone in with tanks in the Palestinian area in
Genine(sp?), now they have entered Palestinian terrotory in Jericho with tanks as well

The Palestinians are demostrating on the streets of Jericho. The Middle East analysts at BBC believes Israel is acting because they feel they will be less critised now when US have been attacked, presumably by Arab fundamentalist

It seems the attack on US is destabilising the Middle east even more

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 5:59 pm

Originally posted by jennabard:

people under the rubble in nyc are using cell phones to reach out. i just heard that a woman and 3 police officers were rescued that way. more are keeping contact with their families as the workers are trying to find and get them out.

I'm watching the BBC news. I can't even start to imagine the horror of lying there severly hurt, crammed in all the debris

The rescue workers are pessimistic to find any more people alive

Sailor Saturn · Post by **Sailor Saturn** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:04 pm

Originally posted by C Elegans:
Oh no! I feared this Israel has not only gone in with tanks in the Palestinian area in
Genine(sp?), now they have entered Palestinian terrotory in Jericho with tanks as well
The Palestinians are demostrating on the streets of Jericho. The Middle East analysts at BBC believes Israel is acting because they feel they will be less critised now when US have been attacked, presumably by Arab fundamentalist

It seems the attack on US is destabilising the Middle east even more

This brings up a scary thought that probably no one here wants to consider, but do you think it is possible that Isreal was behind this attack for that purpose? It doesn't seem likely to me, but...

jennabard · Post by **jennabard** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:05 pm

isreal should not have started anything. i can't believe that they are using the attack as an escuse to herd the palastinians

C Elegans · Post by **C Elegans** » Wed Sep 12, 2001 6:27 pm

@SS and JB: I certainly think it's very unlikely, since Israel is struggling to get acception for their acts the last year, from the rest of the world. The US has always been supporting Israel, and just imagine what's at stake for Israel should they carry out an attack on the US and be caught! The would have made an fierce enemy out of the only powerful state who has supported them the last time.

I rather think Israel, sadly, is taking the opportunity now when the world's feelings of suspiscion against the Arab world has increased radically

9 people killed, 30 injured in Jenin. Eye witness report from Jericho says about 20 attacks has been carried out there.

Israel had previously withdrawn from Jenin, but now they say it's a "hornet's nest" for suicide bombers. The invasion of Jericho, a previously peaceful area, has not been explained yet AFAIK.