Just saw STAR WARS II

Robnark · Post by **Robnark** » Thu May 23, 2002 12:10 pm

indeed, then the series goes rampaging downhill, until the traversties that were rocky IV and rocky V. rocky III's only redeeming feature was the presence of mr T.

the whole series was on TV recently, and i'd never seen the first one before. it is cheesy in places (although that was apparently due to the studio going through stallone's script with a bulldozer) but an excellent and enjoyable film nonetheless.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Thu May 23, 2002 5:54 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave
When Lucasfilm released the Special Editions in 1997, I went to see ANH at a theater full of people. Everyone knew the Death Star was going to blow up, but we still cheered anyway.

It's part of the communal experience of going to a movie; you and several hundred of your closest friends get to gasp when Jango Fett loses his head or cheer for Rocky when he beats Apollo Creed and gets the girl. That's why movie theaters will never be supplanted by video or DVD; people want to have an experience, not just see a film.

I couldn't agree more,

I saw the special edition movies in the cinema to, all tree after each other (i've done worse things, not long ago i saw all 9 startrek movies after eachother)
Only i had a different audience, they all cheered when Darth Vader appeared.

But I think you named it well, AotC (and the other starwars movies) aren't realy films, their experiences.
I realy liked AotC but when i wanted to rate it at imdb, i couldn't give it more that a 6according to my standarts in witch i rate movies. The acting is poor, and so is the story.
But the complete movie makes it so good.

Only one thing that bothers me, and that is why the name Obi-wan Kenobi didn't ring a bell with R2D2 and C3PO in a new hope, they should know him!!!

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Thu May 23, 2002 6:48 pm

Originally posted by HighLordDave
The match was declared a draw, but for all intents and purposes, Rocky won; he wasn't even supposed to put up a fight.

Actually I think Apollo was declared the winner, but Rocky won a personal victory by being the first person to ever knock Apollo Creed down and go the distance without being knocked out himself. That's what made the movie great, it wasn't some contrived plot about the little guy beating the champ. It was all about how Rocky saw himself and how he proved who he was.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Thu May 23, 2002 6:53 pm

Originally posted by Stilgar
Only one thing that bothers me, and that is why the name Obi-wan Kenobi didn't ring a bell with R2D2 and C3PO in a new hope, they should know him!!!

Droids can be memory wiped, so that continuity error is easily fixed. I’m more concerned why Obi-Wan didn’t remember them! That also goes for Anakin and Owen not remembering C-3PO (one could argue that Vader never really got a good look at 3PO on Besbin, or that Protocol Droids can have redundant voices, since they already all look the same). Still, it knda bugs me.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Thu May 23, 2002 11:24 pm

Originally posted by Georgi

You know, there's a reason why those are all in the category of Shakespeare's tragedies, rather than his comedies or history plays...

@HLD - I haven't actually seen Rocky, but I thought that he loses to Apollo Creed?

For the so-called greatest writer of english literature he didn't put very much variety into his endings.

I thought Othello was pretty funny in places, myself.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 24, 2002 6:26 am

Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
For the so-called greatest writer of english literature he didn't put very much variety into his endings.

I thought Othello was pretty funny in places, myself.

I think you're missing the point of tragedy

Yeah, even the tragedies have amusing parts - that's what they call comic relief

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri May 24, 2002 6:32 am

Originally posted by Georgi

I think you're missing the point of tragedy

Yeah, even the tragedies have amusing parts - that's what they call comic relief

I can see tragedy any time I want by watching the news or soap operas (the acting makes it tragic

). I far prefer watching things I enjoy.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 24, 2002 8:32 am

Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
I can see tragedy any time I want by watching the news or soap operas (the acting makes it tragic). I far prefer watching things I enjoy.

But this wasn't about whether you enjoy Shakespeare or not, you were complaining that his tragedies all have tragic endings!

(BTW I agree that your soap operas are tragic, could you please arrange for them to stop being made and exported to the UK?

)

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri May 24, 2002 8:53 am

Originally posted by Georgi

But this wasn't about whether you enjoy Shakespeare or not, you were complaining that his tragedies all have tragic endings! (BTW I agree that your soap operas are tragic, could you please arrange for them to stop being made and exported to the UK? )

I wasn't complaining, I was merely making an observation. (Send me some explosives and you have a deal

)

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 24, 2002 9:08 am

Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
I wasn't complaining, I was merely making an observation. (Send me some explosives and you have a deal)

You so were complaining.

Anyway, you'll find if you read one of his plays that isn't a tragedy, it might just have a happier ending

(They're in the post

)

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri May 24, 2002 9:19 am

Originally posted by Georgi

You so were complaining. Anyway, you'll find if you read one of his plays that isn't a tragedy, it might just have a happier ending (They're in the post )

Was so not!

I saw A Midsummer Night's Dream at the theatre, but i couldn't stop thinking about Terry Pratchett's Lords and Ladies and I couldn't stop laughing. The couple behind me weren't too impressed, as I recall.
(Ramsay Street here I come!

)

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 24, 2002 9:30 am

Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
Was so not! I saw A Midsummer Night's Dream at the theatre, but i couldn't stop thinking about Terry Pratchett's Lords and Ladies and I couldn't stop laughing. The couple behind me weren't too impressed, as I recall.
(Ramsay Street here I come!)

Were so

LOL

(Go get 'em!

)

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri May 24, 2002 9:40 am

Originally posted by Georgi

Were so LOL (Go get 'em! )

This is beginning to sound suspiciously like a pantomime...
"Were so."
"Was not."
"Were so."
"Was not."

Was not.

(Kaboom! Heh heh heh.

)

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 24, 2002 9:46 am

Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
This is beginning to sound suspiciously like a pantomime...

(Kaboom! Heh heh heh.)

Look behind you!!! *runs away when Ode's back is turned*

(And yea, there was much rejoicing...

)

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri May 24, 2002 10:16 am

Originally posted by Georgi

Look behind you!!! *runs away when Ode's back is turned*
(And yea, there was much rejoicing... )

All we need now is a stupid crocodile puppet

,
Good night @Georgeous, it was nice spamming with you.

Georgi · Post by **Georgi** » Fri May 24, 2002 8:42 pm

Originally posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
All we need now is a stupid crocodile puppet

Isn't that Punch and Judy, not pantomime... or would you count that as panto? Hmmm, questions, questions...

Nightmare · Post by **Nightmare** » Fri May 24, 2002 9:48 pm

Originally posted by Kayless
I’m more concerned why Obi-Wan didn’t remember them! That also goes for Anakin and Owen not remembering C-3PO (one could argue that Vader never really got a good look at 3PO on Besbin, or that Protocol Droids can have redundant voices, since they already all look the same). Still, it knda bugs me.

Such is my one of my arguements against Lucas.

After thinking about the movie for a while, I'll grant that it is a good movie, better then I made it out to be when I saw it. A lot of my arguements are still (I hope) credable, though. I still don't have the zeal for it that our friend Kayless has, though.

Ode to a Grasshopper · Fri May 24, 2002 11:31 pm

Originally posted by Georgi

Isn't that Punch and Judy, not pantomime... or would you count that as panto? Hmmm, questions, questions...

Punch and Judy is good too. I'd love to see a Shakespearean Punch and Judy, though.

Kayless · Post by **Kayless** » Sat May 25, 2002 2:05 am

Originally posted by Gaxx_Firkraag
After thinking about the movie for a while, I'll grant that it is a good movie, better then I made it out to be when I saw it. A lot of my arguements are still (I hope) credable, though. I still don't have the zeal for it that our friend Kayless has, though.

Heh, give it time. Soon you’ll be singing the Star Wars song just like me.

Oh Star Warrrsss!
Nothing but Star Warrrsss!
Nothing but Star Warrrsss!
Rated PG!!!

EMINEM · Post by **EMINEM** » Sat May 25, 2002 8:00 am

Just saw Star Wars...

Just saw Attack of the Clones...

The good (the really, really good) - Natalie Portman! Oh my gosh, what a babe! She looked gorgeous in every costume (especially the bare-back dress on the balcony!), in every scene, in every locale, under every shade of light and darkness. I loved her eyes - very expressive. She could communicate her emotions just by looking at someone, in a Toby-McGuire-ish kind of way. But I actually found her character's sense of loyalty more attractive. For example, when Anakin confessed to slaughtering the Tuskan raiders who brutalized and killed his mother - women and children alike - Amidala didn't recoil in shock or horror and turn away from him in disgust; she sat down beside him and gave him her shoulder to cry on. And for all her talk of duty and responsibility to the Republic, it was painfully obvious that she considered her relationship with Anakin to be more important, and that she loved him as much or even more so than he loved her. She was just better at hiding it because of her greater maturity; Anakin was a virgin after all, and she as a politician could dissemble with the best of them. I thought the wedding scene at the end very fitting, and totally in line with inner her character; like Anakin, she "gave in to her feelings," and dropped all pretense of a higher calling to marry the person she loved, sacrosanct Jedi and Senatorial vows notwithstanding. Suffice it to say, I think I understand how all those teenage girls felt towards Leonardo after watching Titanic. I left the theater and went to sleep unable to get her face and figure out of my mind ("sigh"). Uh, anyway... I think I've written enough. I'll finish the rest of the review later.

Edited to include footnotes;

Come to think of it, had Anakin and Amidala not violated those rules, Luke would not have been born, the Dark Side would have prevailed, and the Jedi Order would have become extinct. It'll be interesting to see how their relationship plays out in Episode III. From what I know so far, Luke had no recollection of his mother, while Leia retained beautiful but sad memories of her. Neither had any recollection of their father. The one scene that Lucas has already shot in Tunisia (Tatooine) last year involved Obi-Wan bringing the infant Luke to his aunt and uncle for safe-keeping. I think the final falling out between Obi-an and Anakin, and the climactic battle which Anakin loses along with several other body parts, will be over the infant Luke, who Amidala implores Obi-Wan (just before she dies?) to keep safe from his father, who spiralling descent to the dark side she finally realizes cannot be stopped.