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Gwalchmai writes:
It is largely thanks to Asimov and others that Science Fiction has focused on ‘Hard Science.’
Well, yeah, but that's exactly what definitions are for, if you know what I mean. ;) For the longest time, from the 1930's through the 1960's, science fiction was a category defined by its writers, and those writers were all into Hard Science. Even some writers we now think of as putting an emphasis on social elements began in those days, and still had a knack for thinking with an HS edge.

Take Hal Clement. Damn nice guy, great private conversationlist, but boring as hell as a speaker. He *always* led off with the same dull, interminable point about how proud he was that the physics of any planet he created were realistic. He'd describe the instruments and even the equations he used to arrive at his formulae. And he'd do all this when you really wanted to congratulate him on the masterful way he handled the power struggle in group scenes, for instance.

But anyway, I'm getting off the point. (If I can recall it, which is doubtful.)

(Oh, yeah.)

Hard Science defined SF for the longest time, and it still has a considerable impact on the field--but you're right. The times, they are a-changin'.
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Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>Cyberpunk action flicks are a sub-genre of the fantasy genre. That's why Bladerunner, when it first appeared in book form, was sold in the fantasy area of bookstores.</STRONG>
If "Do android dream of electric sheep" was categorised as fanatasy, what about PK D!ck's other books?
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C Elegans writes:
If "Do android dream of electric sheep" was categorised as fanatasy, what about PK D!ck's other books?
I recall **** always being called a "science fiction writer." But at the same time, Zelazny was called a "fantasy writer." Go figure.
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KidD01: Mary Magdalene? :D
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Matrix?! I think that I have seen that movie 12 times it is the only DVD I have. I got it for free since "the company" fixed my computer. If you don't tell anyone then of course the repair was on a Compaq (read Scumback!!!)
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Originally posted by Garcia:
<STRONG>Matrix?! I think that I have seen that movie 12 times it is the only DVD I have. I got it for free since "the company" fixed my computer. If you don't tell anyone then of course the repair was on a Compaq (read Scumback!!!)</STRONG>
Why buy compaq :D ??
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Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>I recall **** always being called a "science fiction writer." But at the same time, Zelazny was called a "fantasy writer." Go figure.</STRONG>
Zelazny's lable could have been due to the Amber stories. More fantasy than 'hard science'.
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Anatres writes:
Zelazny's lable could have been due to the Amber stories. More fantasy than 'hard science'.
Even slightly before that, in 1967, with Lord of Light (which was his favorite novel of his own writing).
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Originally posted by Gruntboy:
<STRONG>KidD01: Mary Magdalene? :D </STRONG>

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Post by Garcia »

Originally posted by Xandax:
<STRONG>Why buy compaq :D ??</STRONG>
I keep asking myself that same question :D
no I got it from my company otherwise the best computer (IMHO) is a self collected one :)
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