So how about that New Vegas?

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So how about that New Vegas?

Postby hunter558 » Wed Oct 20, 2010 12:25 pm

Now that the game is out, id like to post a thread just to see peoples opinions on the game, i got it the day it came out and currently favor it over fallout 3, downsides are its outdated graphics and annoying glitches similar to its prequel however the gameplay and depth seems to quite easily override these problems. I thought the best part was that they put the old games music from the first two into this game which fit surprisingly well as it hadnt done for the 3rd game.

anyway overall through its flaws and perfections, the game is really good and i hope people feel the same

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Postby Curry » Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:18 pm

I've now played New Vegas on PC for something like 12 hours total. It's a very good game, alot better than F3 and definitely feels like a real Fallout BUT there's also a load of bugs and glitches. :mad: I wish they had polished it first.
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Postby Kipi » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:03 am

Curry wrote:I've now played New Vegas on PC for something like 12 hours total. It's a very good game, alot better than F3 and definitely feels like a real Fallout BUT there's also a load of bugs and glitches. :mad: I wish they had polished it first.


Ah, then it actually gets close to what being Fallout game is... :p

Just kidding here...

So, any game breaking bugs so far? I haven't yet bought it, just waiting to get better desktop (the project is still going), so I may postpone buying this till then. But if it has some serious bugs, then I think I'll wait for patches.
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Postby Curry » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:13 am

Kipi wrote:So, any game breaking bugs so far?


Nothing big. I've had to keep reloading though because characters keep getting stuck between rocks if you don't stay on the road, sometimes npcs go hostile without a sensible reason and enemies can fall through the ground and you can't target them. But it's playable.
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Postby hunter558 » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:38 pm

Kipi wrote:Ah, then it actually gets close to what being Fallout game is... :p

Just kidding here...

So, any game breaking bugs so far? I haven't yet bought it, just waiting to get better desktop (the project is still going), so I may postpone buying this till then. But if it has some serious bugs, then I think I'll wait for patches.


ya basically almost the same problems fallout 3 had if you played that are the same in this game but the gameplay makes it pretty easy to overlook.

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Postby Kipi » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:45 pm

hunter558 wrote:ya basically almost the same problems fallout 3 had if you played that are the same in this game but the gameplay makes it pretty easy to overlook.


So, worst I should expect is the random disappearing of NPCs? That's the worst bug I ever encountered in F3. Unless the PC version contained something worse, I played the F3 in XBox, so my knowledge is limited to bugs in that version.

If it's so, then I don't see any reason to suspend the buying of New Vegas.
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Postby Curry » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:11 am

Kipi wrote:If it's so, then I don't see any reason to suspend the buying of New Vegas.


It's definitely playable, you'll be just fine if you don't get frustrated easily. :)
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Postby DesR85 » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:27 am

Curry wrote:Nothing big. I've had to keep reloading though because characters keep getting stuck between rocks if you don't stay on the road, sometimes npcs go hostile without a sensible reason and enemies can fall through the ground and you can't target them. But it's playable.

Heh. Happens quite a few times in Fallout 3 despite being patched to the latest version. Wasn't surprised that this game inherited the same problems, but as you said, a simple reload to a previous point does resolve the issue.

Either way, it still smacks of poor programming on the part of Bethseda in regards to this game engine. It is somewhat of a mystery that many reviewers don't seem to encounter them (maybe they did, but decided to sweep it under the rug because they liked the game so much?) whereas the average consumer does.
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Postby Gartar » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:19 am

I have played it for about 2hours now, 20ish mins of it was just remaking new characters(the start is allot better then that damned F3 vault escaping start) because I could not decide what kind of character I would be(I ultimately ended up going for a heavy science and speech guy, with some repair and gun skill) and I have to say the story is 100 times more interesting and engaging then it was in F3(I would be very disappointed if it wasn't), the exploration is very fun indeed(as it was in F3), I have yet to make it to Vegas, but I'm really looking forward to getting there, hopefully soon. The skills like Science and Speech seem to play allot bigger role in the game then they did in F3, I have already used them twice as many times as I did in a full F3 playthrough. The little I have seen of the faction system I really like so far.
As for bugs, I haven't noticed any bugs yet, just a few minor NPC walking problems like stopping for a few sec before finding their way if they walk in to other npc's, happens allot if you are escorting/following more than one npc for a quest, but this happened in both Oblivion and F3 aswell so it was expected. As for performance, it is pretty much the same as F3, with one exception, when I'm inside a house and light is shining in the window my fps seems to drop a bit and I get some minor stuttering, other than that everything is running flawlessly at High quality settings(sitting at a constant 40fps), I have a GT230 graphic cards with the latest drivers, windows 7 64bit, 8gigs of ram and a intel core2 quad cpu q9400 2,66ghz 267ghz.

That is it for now, I may write another post after I finish the game.

Also I apologize for my bad grammer/english, it always seems to go very bad when I write more than one sentence :(

Edit: Also a question, does the game end after the main questline like in Fallout 3 without the DLC?
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Postby Crenshinibon » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:54 am

How does this game compare to Fallout 1 and 2?
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Postby Daynov » Fri Oct 22, 2010 12:21 pm

Gartar wrote:Also a question, does the game end after the main questline like in Fallout 3 without the DLC?

It does.

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Postby Curry » Fri Oct 22, 2010 1:22 pm

Gartar wrote:The skills like Science and Speech seem to play allot bigger role in the game


Yeah Science and Speech are probably the most useful skills. Also Luck seems to make a huge difference because of the money you can make with it.

Guns suck, Energy Weapons are OK. Melee is clearly the best.
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Postby hunter558 » Fri Oct 22, 2010 5:23 pm

Crenshinibon wrote:How does this game compare to Fallout 1 and 2?


i would say there are some noticeable comparisons and they did bring back the music from the first games which fits in certain locations but your more likely to get a FO3 feel than an FO1 and 2 feel simply because i personally dont believe any new fallout game can compare to the older ones, youd have to play it yourself to decide however its still a great game.

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Postby Kipi » Thu Oct 28, 2010 1:16 pm

Crenshinibon wrote:How does this game compare to Fallout 1 and 2?


Okay, after about 2 hours wort of playing, I would say it moves a bit from the Fallout 3 to the older Fallouts. But just an inch in terms of atmosphere, mostly due the music.

By the way, anyone else noticed some strange "flashes" of light appearing at times? Just q quick flash, like sun reflection, but appearing in places where such thing should not occur. I don't think it's caused by my video card, though anything could be possible.
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Postby Impatient Zero » Thu Oct 28, 2010 11:43 pm

I remember Fallout 1 and 2 being fairly slow starters as well, but in Fallout 1 and 2 you start out with clear and important goals. The goal in New Vegas and in part 3 seems to be somewhat less important, particularly at the start. It very much seems that at the beginning of NV, your goal is simply revenge or retrieve a particularly trivial object that was stolen from you. It, for me, is kind of hard to get into that part of the plot, but as the game continues and you learn about the conflicts that are going on around you, it really starts to pick up. I just wish the sense of urgency was back from the first two Fallouts.

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Postby SupaCat » Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:32 am

Kipi wrote:By the way, anyone else noticed some strange "flashes" of light appearing at times? Just q quick flash, like sun reflection, but appearing in places where such thing should not occur. I don't think it's caused by my video card, though anything could be possible.


Oh great :D I have that too, but i thought it was something with my eyes.

As for the game, i really like it. Caesars legion seemed a bit too evil for my taste too be really realistic, but overall a really great experience. Your skill seem too matter more and with the hardcore mode it's a lot cooler. A lot better story line and a very interresting political world.

I still like Fallout 3+wanderers mod better (seriously, how great is that mod!), but it didn't let me down and offfered a lot better roleplaying that fallout 3 ever did.

Companions are a lot better made, but still could be better I guess.
Wish the combat was a bit better made (like in the wanderers mod), since fighting is like half the game. Thankfully there are a lot more weapons this time, which is pretty cool.

As for comparison with Fallout 1 and 2... They're different games. They were alot more tactical and alot more about roleplaying.
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Postby Kipi » Sat Oct 30, 2010 9:36 am

SupaCat wrote:Oh great :D I have that too, but i thought it was something with my eyes.


Actually, I think that was driver issue, as after updating my GPU drivers I have not seen those anymore.
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Postby Impatient Zero » Sun Oct 31, 2010 12:01 am

I think those flashes of light are supposed to be sunlight reflecting off sand type of glint, but they do look a little odd and random.

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Postby Cyro » Wed Nov 03, 2010 4:55 am

Okay after 72 hours of play time. I think it's fair to say New Vegas is in the running for my top ten RPGs EVAR. Maybe stealing Fallout 2's spot. Maybe.
I was one of those weirdos that liked Fallout, loved Fallout 2 and liked Fallout 3. (Tactics was alright, we don't talk about F:BoS.)

New Vegas seems to have the strengths of both and whilst inheriting both of the weaknesses to some degree, I feel it stands as more than the sum of their parts.

Fallout and Fallout 2 are similiar enough were both slow starters, but excellently written and well ploted. Quirky but still serious and dramatic enough. Most importantly, whilst their endings where bittersweet, they where so in a way that didn't feel cheap or a copout like the original Fallout 3 ending (not that Broken Steel was that much better, but hey.)

Fallout 3 suffered from a lack of these traits, but it had 2 things that made up for it.
Firstly, the exploration. Not to say the exploration in F1 & F2 was bad per se, but it was a little over forumulaic or limited. Fallout 3 offered wonderful free roaming potential, as one would expect from the Elder Scrolls creators.
Second, the update to the combat was an unexpected blessing, it's not until my recent return to Fallout 2 that I've realized how much the hexaganol, Action Point based combat is painfully out of date, to the point of being almost tedious. Could the combat have been worked out better in F3? Probably, but the update did it's job, and for that it's a bonus.

I wrote a glowing opinion on fallout three on it's release on this board I believe, and whilst this isn't a full retraction of it, I do have to say the plotline of New Vegas puts F3's to absolute shame. Most of my enjoyment of F3 was just going out and exploring the world. I completed entirely one ending to it. That doesn't say much for replayability or the plot.

With New Vegas I've completed the independent ending (twice actually) and Mr.House's ending and am just starting an NCR playthrough.

If you detested F3's for it's gameplay, New Vegas will not resurrect Fallout for you. If you simply missed the writting and story from the early Fallout games; welcome back, we missed you.

P.S. I'm playing on a mid to high range PC, the only bug I've encountered is with the I Put A Spell On You quest line with the mole not spawning properly, well that and the game freezing after 4 straight hours of gameplay, though that's less a bug and more a gentle reminder of reality.

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Postby Kipi » Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:14 am

Well said Cyro, well said.

The writing indeed gets close, if not to the same, level of Fallout 1 and 2. And the wasteland actually feels more dangerous than in Fallout 3, which was more or less safe walk excluding the DC area. Now, as one NPC says, STAY ON THE ROAD!

Haven't invested enough time to New Vegas yet, but when I have I'll write review to the blogs section.

Me, I'm playing the game with top end computer (GTX 480) and I have even tried the game in 3D, though only shortly with my brother's tv. Now that takes gaming to new level! :eek: :D
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