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I know this is asked a 1000 times before, but why are there so few thiefs in SoA, was hoping for a desent swashbuckler in ToB, but you only have Jan to keep as you're thief (imoen is gone, and yoshimo well (*slight spoler that every body knows*) betrays you.)
n TotSC i had thief to many if i wanted, and Jan realy anoys me.
Why can't nalia be a better thief, then would choose her.

imoen had 125% in find traps and 135% ion open locks with the ring of dangersense , ring of lockpicks and master harper amulet
you can also dual class sarevok to a thief since his dexterity is 17, if you dual him on level 18 he will still be able to reach level 35 as a thief

what no thiefs?

there are 3 or 4, yoshi, jan, imoen, nalia
how many clerics, 3 ano, vic + aerie
rangers, 2
paladins, 1
druids, 2 jaheria + cernd, one multi the other a rather limited shapeshifter.
ftrs, 3-4 korgan, mazzy, jaheria, saravok
mages, 4
bard, 1 (+ blade is'nt a great party bard)

you have more variety at thief than most classes, w/ some having 0 representation, monk, barbarian, sorceror.

there is always the multi option or play a thief yourself. (my choice)

plus by making yoshimo a more palatable choice at thief, leads him to being in more parties...

[ 07-31-2001: Message edited by: koz-ivan ]

Originally posted by ]RiPPeR[:
<STRONG>imoen had 125% in find traps and 135% ion open locks with the ring of dangersense , ring of lockpicks and master harper amulet
you can also dual class sarevok to a thief since his dexterity is 17, if you dual him on level 18 he will still be able to reach level 35 as a thief</STRONG>

Sarevok backstabbing...that is a scary thought.

You could always use ShadowKeeper to take Nalia up a few levels as a thief. Or make her a pure thief altogether. It's not the same but still...

Koz-Ivan's right. Thieves are extremely well-represented in SOA/ToB. And when you consider the potions and rings available to aid thieving, that profession really has it made.

Koz-Ivan's right. Thieves are extremely well-represented in SOA/ToB. And when you consider the potions and rings available to aid thieving, that profession really has it made.

Originally posted by koz-ivan:
<STRONG>by making yoshimo a more palatable choice at thief, leads him to being in more parties...</STRONG>

Exactly. What good is making a nice sub-plot if everyone will pass it up?

Hehe, it seemed like there were a jillion thieves in BG1, maybe that's why it seems like so few choices in BG2, comparatively speaking.

Sarevok makes on rockin thief. I mean I fragged balthazar with one backstab, and had little monk pieces fly all over the place.

He got a critical on a backstab (using the +4 katana) and did like 140 damage, then I also had the deathbringer assault go off, and that was another 200 damage. Gibs for everyone !

Originally posted by koz-ivan:
<STRONG>what no thiefs?

there are 3 or 4, yoshi, jan, imoen, nalia
</STRONG>

Let's not forget that Nalia is stuck at level 5 and Imoen at level 7 as a thief. In the SoA (and especially ToB) universe, a level 5-7 character probably wouldn't cut it as a barmaid.

Um, could you dual Valygar to a thief? He's got 18 dexterity and 17 strength, if I'm not mistaken.

Sorry for the double... dual-classing Valygar to a thief (if it's possible -- I don't have my manuals or the game at hand now) might create some redundancy, since he's already got some thief abilities as a stalker.

[ 08-01-2001: Message edited by: Kekkonen ]

rangers can only dual to clerics.

and from what i've heard a post tob stalker or archer cannot dual at all.

Originally posted by Laurelei:
<STRONG>Hehe, it seemed like there were a jillion thieves in BG1, maybe that's why it seems like so few choices in BG2, comparatively speaking.</STRONG>

Well, when you think about it, @Laurelei, there were quite a few representatives of several professions. I seem to recall at least 4 mages and 3 clerics. But the game wasn't anywhere near as well-balanced, IMO, as BG2, nor was the party interaction that BG2 has. I think balance issues and all those party NPC subplots determined the smaller number of NPCs who could join you, this time around.

Originally posted by fable:
<STRONG>the game wasn't anywhere near as well-balanced, IMO, as BG2</STRONG>

That's right. 75% of the NPCs were obviously less useful than the other 25%. While in BG2 you can argue about Cernd's monopoly on single-classed Druids, in BG1 there were some very, very redundant cases. Compare either Skie or Alorra to Imoen, for example.