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A little question has come to me while reading a weapon details. Who are giants or humanoids?? And which creatures are included as shapeshifters or regenerating creatures? I have some idea for the undead, but others are little tricky.

Giants are, well Giants! Humanoids are any creature that closely resembles a human, ie Hobgoblin or Ogre but not a Kobold.

Shapeshifters are creatures that can change their form like Dopplegangers. Regenerating creatures are Trolls.....

Well, after reading Vicsun maybe my 'humanoid' definition was a bit too broad....

[This message has been edited by Anatres (edited 01-05-2001).]

How about golems? Are they giants?? They are huge, you know.

The above disciptons are correct.
Golens are artificial constrats build by wizard for varius purpose and they come in all sizes and types (atempts to create a flesh golem for "Male" of "female" use have Fail)
suprising a weapon in the game that gives +4 againt giats (+1 normal)works on stome types.
Regenaration gives back HP. trolls and greater wolfwere regenerate.

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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
Friedrich Nietzsche

Question: Does the description posted for giants mean "giants" or giant class?

BTW: I think Greater Wolfweres also go to "Regenarating" class

Drakron; Is your Nietzsche quote from BGI or Diablo? My favorite is "That which does not kill you makes you stronger", which was used in the Conan movies/books.

The first part is from Diablo I...

Well i know there are dragon weapons but, Does vs Giants also work on dragons, not your normal backward lizard.

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Don't think so...there is a special +to dragons modifier on weapons...

I'm pretty sure that most weapons that have special usage against a specific class will state that class specifically in it's description. Therfore, if it doesn't say 'Dragons' or 'Giants' then it wouldn't have any added features against those classes.

Now 'Giantkin' may be a different matter and be refering to all 'larger than human' classes (Golems, Ogres, Ogrillions, etc.), but I may be wrong there also!

Exept one puint you are right, giantkin are the giants, ogrillon,ettins ...
but golems are magiacally created, they are not giantkin (giantkin does not mean giant sized, it means race related to the giant races)

Golems are definitely not considered giants. Golems are golems. Same with dragons. Kobolds, goblins, and the like are considered humanoid in AD&D, but I don't know about BG2.

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Magus, mighty sorcerer, and summoner of hordes of...magical flying swords

Ahh, makes sense about the Golems. But the 'rat-dogs' (Kobolds) are considered 'humanoid'? Now that's strange.... Have to refer to my Monsterous Compendium(TM) later.

Thanks for the info.....

Yep. Whenever armies of goblins and orcs and the like invade a place, it is said that the place was beset by a humanoid horde.

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Magus, mighty sorcerer, and summoner of hordes of...magical flying swords

golems = giants

just check out the warhammer +1 (+4 against giants (or was it giantkin))

it says it is +4 against golems.. not sure what else tho

(if it is giantkin the i may be wrong)
but there are no giants left, you read the book in the Adventurers mart called fall of the titans or something like that, they all lemminged into the sea following a comet... .lol

There ARE Gigants in the Game.
SPOLIER(a bit of on)
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In the city under the sea you will fight a Ettin(a 2 head giant).
The hammer +4 bonus is a bug or considers giants anything bigger that a humamoid for the +4.

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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
Friedrich Nietzsche

so the titans didnt drown

There's a difference between titans and giants. Titans, I think, were supremely powerful, even more so than storm giants. Giants DO exist. Many varieties, as well. If you played Icewind Dale, which takes place 100-200 years before BG2, you fight many of them. The kinds of giants include storm giant, fire giant, frost giant, stone giant, fog giant, and hill giant. Giant-kin include ettin, verbeegs, ogres, and at least two others that slip my mind. Some assistance Drakron? One species is seriously deformed, and the other can never tell a lie.

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Magus, mighty sorcerer, and summoner of hordes of...magical flying swords

[This message has been edited by magusg (edited 01-06-2001).]

Here goes another List.
(L-lawful,C-Caotic,N-Neutral,G-Good,E-Evil)

Cloud-N(50%good/50%evil)
Cyclops-CE
Desert-N
Ettin-CE
Firbolg-N(CG)
Fire-LE
Fog-N(50%good/50%evil)
Formorian-NE
Frost-CE
Hill-CE
Jungle-N
Mountain-CN
Reef-NG
Stone-N
Storm-CG
Verbeeg-N(evil)
Wood(Voadkyn)-CG

Titans are very powerful,near Godlike.And they live in Olympus(the LG plane)

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"He who fights with monsters should look to it that he himself does not became a monster... when you gaze long into the abyss the abyss gazes into you..."
Friedrich Nietzsche