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Well,should i change Imoen for Keldorn or not ? i'm now in athkatla after completing the underdark.
and Imoen SUCK bigg time,she dies and has a low level
My party is this; my fighter,minsc,jaheira,nalia,aeri,imoen
and i think i have to low fighting power

but Imoen is the only thief (yes i have nalia of level four mut )
and i think she has a big role for the end and in TOB (i got that to but i'm fisrt finisching SOA)

What do i do ? give me some wise advise please

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Welcome to our forum, Belgian amigo!

I don't think you should drop Imoen yet.
Your fighting-magic balance seems right so don't worry about that.
There "might" be a higher-classed thief/mage around if you want to find him, reply, he's an asset to your party!
And, Imoen can be joint in at different points in the game....

ok

jep i'm new to this thing hollandse vriend

But i have a thief/mage (Nalia) and she is much better (!!!)
in spells then Imoen,she has very high level spels
and if i fight imoen just stands along the side out of harm
because i can't use her low level and low spells

and i think keldorn is very good (carsomy) u guy's got high spirits
about this guy

ooh yes and tell me the other thief/mage guy !!!
(but nalia rocks )

thx for helping mate !

the only other thief/mage is Jan, Jan is multi classed instead of dueled classed which actually lets his thief levels go up, because of this he is the best thief in the game. his mage levels go up at the same time so he is a good backup mage. Jan is also VERY funny, even funnier with Minsc in the group (hey he's funny with just about anyone but him and Minsc are the funniest).
in order to make Jan get more wizard spells give him a potion of genius when you can't memorize any more spells of that level and have a scroll to learn. that cheat works for any wizard, any intelligence over 19 can learn every spell in the game (except for spells that their class restricts). so try Jan, he might be weak for how far you are in the game but if you pick him earlier next time he's much better.

spoiler's on how to get Jan








to get Jan go to the government district and find him in the middle area of town. he tries to sell you stuff and a guard and Noble come over and try to arrest him for selling illegal stuff. you need to cover for him and then the guard and noble will walk away angerly (no rep lost) and then Jan will offer to join you. he has no quest needed to join you just that one thing. there is a family quest a lot later however for Jan.

oh, jan can also wield holy avenger......

actually is pretty funny to see huge sword in his pipsqueak avatar.,....

Originally posted by UserUnfriendly
oh, jan can also wield holy avenger......

actually is pretty funny to see huge sword in his pipsqueak avatar.,....

he can only use it with the TOB use any item ability. and still it is not a good idea to give him that sword since he will have no skills in it once so ever. it is much more better in the hands of a paladin instead of the hands of Jan.

You have only 2 frontlinera and 4 spell caster. Pretty disporportionate (for my tastes at least.)

Personnally id suggest you replace either Nalia or Imoen with Keldorn. Nalia and Imoen essentially fill the exact same role and are redundant. Nalia is a higher level and, despite her low thief level, adquate enough as a thief.

Imoen on the other hand might be a better choice for story considerations if it is your first time through. The fact that she is a lower level will be made negligible pretty quickly when you get into the millions of experince points.

Balance

I have found that you will not need more than 2 hardcore fighters at the very most. I have played with all NPCs and come to the conclusion that if you have one or two decent fighters with wicked armor class, they can run in and absorb the mob's blows while your mages decimate them from afar.

Aerie, Nalia, Imoen, and Jaheira should be able to churn out plenty of magical damage while your fighter and Minsc rush in to smite the baddies with swords/maces/anything nasty you may have laying around. Keldorn is almost a pure fighter, but has a couple of nice abilities you should have access to with your vast magical array. Imoen has all the thieving abilities you will ever need in SoA/ToB with her disarm/unlock skills. Keep Imoen around and you can half a 1/2 bhaalspawn party soon enough

Simply depends on play style. Ive played with as many as 5 frontline fighters (counting Anomen) and simply breezed through.

Since I consider Jaheira a frontline fighter I can't see anything wrong with the party. 3 melee and 3 in the back, in fact, I find that formation my preferred one to play. Nalia & Imoen are quite similar however, so if you need it to be more thief heavy I would recommend Jan. However, if you pick up any NPC now, they will be far below you in level, and keldorn would be more of a liability as he must be preserved up in the frontlines, compared to someone like Imoen or Jan throwing daggers or bolts from the back.

Re: Balance

Originally posted by Querschen
I have found that you will not need more than 2 hardcore fighters at the very most. I have played with all NPCs and come to the conclusion that if you have one or two decent fighters with wicked armor class, they can run in and absorb the mob's blows while your mages decimate them from afar.

Aerie, Nalia, Imoen, and Jaheira should be able to churn out plenty of magical damage while your fighter and Minsc rush in to smite the baddies with swords/maces/anything nasty you may have laying around. Keldorn is almost a pure fighter, but has a couple of nice abilities you should have access to with your vast magical array. Imoen has all the thieving abilities you will ever need in SoA/ToB with her disarm/unlock skills. Keep Imoen around and you can half a 1/2 bhaalspawn party soon enough

I think that you should have 3 close up fighters. as for the other 3 slots one should be a mage, one should be a healer (priest or druid) and the other should be a thief. due to bad NPC classes however you pretty much just have to have a dualed or multi classed thief unless you make your own guy a thief. all of the thiefs in BG2 have wizard skills which really cut down on their power from being 2 classes. I think that duel and multi classing usually messes up the NPC instead of making them stronger (Anomen is the only exception, but he shouldn't have been able to duel class).
I find more people with physical blows instead of magical blows makes you have a better party. I hardly even used magic before I started soloing. (and I had 2 wizards in my group). I think that I misuse mages and magic though. I only really used it when casting defensive spells for hard fights and using pierce magic or shield on dragons.

Fighters < Mages ?!?

I agree Ninja that an abundance of fighters makes your trip thru SoA/ToB rather simple for most of the fights. Fighters will work hard for you in every fight and hardly ever need a rest.

Any fight with a degree of difficulty however, you will need someone to cast something. Buffs, BREACH!!!, pierce magix etc are the spells I used most and although this means my spell casters werent used very often, I NEEDED them in these situations. I still think the perfect party is 4 people but thats for the elites only ^_^

mmmmmh

Well i think i'm not gonna change anything because Arthur (HIGH level fighter)and minsc can do pretty much damage and yes i can use Jaheira but i think she's just for weak enemy's

and i love nalia because of her many high level spells (1 problem, how come she can't learn any 9 level spells ???,if i open the scroll it does not say whrite magic.) and aeri has a lot of defense spells

and imoen well,
i got to take care for my little sister i think
so i don't want to swap anyone else for keldorn.
or u guy's got any idea's ?
but hell,i'm to far in the game to mess up my party i think

Or not ????

and i love nalia because of her many high level spells (1 problem, how come she can't learn any 9 level spells ???,if i open the scroll it does not say whrite magic.)

No ToB installed right? SoA xp cap means wizards can't cast level 9 spells except from scrolls.

I personnally like as many fighters as I can fit into my party. I typically only need 1 high level mage and 1 high level cleric as spell casters. I really dont cast that many mage spells. Normally I never need too, battles end so quickly. However, there are times when you need a mage and no other class will do (ala Breach/Pierce)

Re: mmmmmh

Originally posted by Arthur
Well i think i'm not gonna change anything because Arthur (HIGH level fighter)and minsc can do pretty much damage and yes i can use Jaheira but i think she's just for weak enemy's

and i love nalia because of her many high level spells (1 problem, how come she can't learn any 9 level spells ???,if i open the scroll it does not say whrite magic.) and aeri has a lot of defense spells

and imoen well,
i got to take care for my little sister i think
so i don't want to swap anyone else for keldorn.
or u guy's got any idea's ?
but hell,i'm to far in the game to mess up my party i think

Or not ????

you need 18 intelligence to learn level 9 spells. Edwin is the ONLY wizard that can learn level 9 spells. (unless the rule for intelligence was changed in TOB I'm correct). that's why you can't write the spell.
something that MIGHT work is to drink a potion of genius (or other intelligence raising potions). and if your intelligence is 19 or higher you can memorize EVERY spell of every level. just keep on using potions when your maxed out for that level. this way might work for you to be able to memorize level 9 spells later in TOB.

That rule was certainly changed for ToB...anyone can scribe level 9 spells, even Haer Dalis.

Re: Re: mmmmmh

Originally posted by MasterDarkNinja
you need 18 intelligence to learn level 9 spells. Edwin is the ONLY wizard that can learn level 9 spells. (unless the rule for intelligence was changed in TOB I'm correct). that's why you can't write the spell.
something that MIGHT work is to drink a potion of genius (or other intelligence raising potions). and if your intelligence is 19 or higher you can memorize EVERY spell of every level. just keep on using potions when your maxed out for that level. this way might work for you to be able to memorize level 9 spells later in TOB.

That's why I like my PC to be a wizard: I don't have to depend on Edwin.