Weapons for Jaheira

Ryo · Post by **Ryo** » Sat Jun 08, 2002 12:27 pm

I'm somewhat curious as to what weapons some of my fellow players give everyone's favorite half-elven fighter/druid. Slings and darts are obvious choices, yes, but the selection of a melee weapon seems somewhat problematic.

She can weild staves and spears, yes, but since I'm sadly ToTSC-less, I don't have access to stuff like the Staff of Striking, the Staff Mace, or the Quarterstaff +3. That leaves me with... well... a Quarterstaff +1 or a Spear +1. Not particularly inspiring, and she needs the AC so her off-hand carries a shield anyway.

The only thing that leaves her with is small swords, or more specifically, daggers. Although at the moment I have her carrying this neat dagger +2 called the Heart of the Golem I got from this thief in the area you come out into after clearing the Nashkel Mines... incidentally, by it's description it appears to be a unique item, but I managed to loot a second Heart of the Golem off of Marek... I read somewhere that some people outfit her with the Dagger of Venom. I was intrigued by the idea, since it had never occured to me, and it'll probably be my best bet. Unfortunately, it seems kind of weird for Jaheira, clad in plate mail and carrying a large shield, to be carrying a dagger around. Scimitars or clubs seem to make more sense, but, alas, those are for the BG2 Jaheira - and her 17 dex, thankfully - only. I guess daggers just seem kinda off from a role-playing perspective. I don't really see her as one to use poison... *shrug*

Anyway. Thoughts?

The Z · Post by **The Z** » Sat Jun 08, 2002 1:02 pm

The Sling +1 would be your best bet for a ranged weapon (with bullets +2). For melee I can only think of a club at the moment....

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 8:30 am

I usually equip Jaheira with the Dagger of Venom +2 (from the weaponsmith in Beregost) and a Sling +1. Or I might pickpocket one of Drizzt's scimitars, although if Jaheira could talk, I'm sure she wouldn't approve.

I agree that she should wield a single-handed weapon and a shield.

You seem to be acquainted with the weapons that TotSC has to offer, but there's one you didn't mention: Scimitar +2: Rashad's Talon.

BTW, did you encounter the original owner of the Heart of the Golem in the same area where you met that thief?

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 10:09 am

You could (try) to kill drizzt and give her one of his scemitars (but their just to powerfull weapons)

I usually give her a quaterstaff+3 (bought in Ulgards Beard)
And if i'm not mistaken there is a scemitar +3 in Durlag's Tower.

But you have to have TotSC ffor both weapons.

Ryo · Post by **Ryo** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 12:04 pm

Rashad's Talon is in ToTSC? Cool. Hm... out of curiosity, how are scimitars implemented? Do they go under large or small sword proficiencies? Are they usable by thieves and druids as well as fighters, rangers, and paladins?

Also... wasn't aware that Jaheira could use Icingdeath. Can she in normal BG1 mode or is this a strictly ToTSC thing? Either way, it doesn't make much difference to me, since Drizzt is both too cool and too powerful for me to kill without going completely out of alignment, ruining my heroic reputation, and using a good deal of cheese. Besides, I already helped him. ^_^;

Looks like it'll be the Dagger of Venom for me. I'll stop by Beregost later, I guess. As for the Heart of the Golem, I got the first one from a thief named Hentold in the desert area you enter after clearing the Nashkel mines. He wanted me to return to the reveant, but, wanting the 3,000 xp and the cool new listing on my protagonist's highest kill score, I sent my fighter PC in solo and hacked it to death, so I got to keep the dagger, which turned out to be the Heart of the Golem +2. I let Imoen use it for a while until I found the Short Sword +2, then I just kept it in her inventory. Much later in the game, after helping Lothander remove his geas, I confronted Marek in the Blushing Mermaid and killed him, taking his nice Eagle Bow and a second Heart of the Golem. Maybe I should have given the reveant his dagger?

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 1:17 pm

Originally posted by Ryo
Rashad's Talon is in ToTSC? Cool. Hm... out of curiosity, how are scimitars implemented? Do they go under large or small sword proficiencies? Are they usable by thieves and druids as well as fighters, rangers, and paladins?

They are classed as short swords. When you create a druid in BG1 there is no scimitar proficiency, only short sword. I am not sure about thieves, but certainly druids can use scimitars. I had Coran pick pocket Drizzt for his weapon, which is +3 Frostbrand.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 1:46 pm

Theres a realy cheesy tactic to kill drizzt and get both his weapons.
Highlite to read the tactic:

All you need is 1NPC, 100ths of arrows (preferably +1or2 piercing or biting.
Have you're archers stand on the island where you meat drizzt, and lure lure drizzt with the NPC that you want to "sacrafice" to the other side of the river.
You should be able to hit him while he stands there hostile, trying to get to you, but because of the low AI he just stands there taking arrows.
After ALOT of arrows he dies

Hope this helps, try it once, it gives a kick to kill him without cheese (managed to do it once), but this way is also fun.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Sun Jun 09, 2002 6:48 pm

I think that scimitars fall under the proficiency type "Large Swords", and they're the only type of Large Sword that a Druid may use.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if a Druid can use a scimitar unless you've installed TotSC. Does anyone know if a Druid can use a scimitar in the orginal BG1 without the expansion?

BTW, you don't have to kill Drizzt to get one of his scimitars. PICKPOCKET instead.

It won't ruin your reputation or your alignment.

Stilgar · Post by **Stilgar** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 2:10 am

Originally posted by VonDondu
I think that scimitars fall under the proficiency type "Large Swords", and they're the only type of Large Sword that a Druid may use.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if a Druid can use a scimitar unless you've installed TotSC. Does anyone know if a Druid can use a scimitar in the orginal BG1 without the expansion?

BTW, you don't have to kill Drizzt to get one of his scimitars. PICKPOCKET instead. It won't ruin your reputation or your alignment.

You can't pickpocket the defender, or his armour.
And it's a bug that you can pickpocket one.
You're unable to pickpocket equiped items,
but since Drizzt is dualwielding, and dual-wielding isn't included in BG1, they put 1scemitar in his inventory, while he should be wielding it.

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 11:26 am

Actually, Stilgar, it's even weirder than that. Non-joinable NPC's are a lot of different from normal characters. They don't use items the way that you're used to thinking.

For example, Drizzt is not actually wielding either of his scimitars. He's actually wielding a weapon with the item code "S1-12" (a +1 longsword that does 1d12 damage) and a weapon with the item code "DRIZZTS" (a +5 long sword that does 1d8+5 damage). Those items are not "droppable", so if you kill Drizzt, you can't pick them up. He's also not wearing his armor (not on his body, anyway--it might be in one of his quick slots). He simply has a base AC of -10 without armor. He's not even a Ranger; he's a 16th Level Innocent. The game gives him 10 attacks per round. It's not based on proficiency points or anything; that's just the way he was made. So you see, you shouldn't think of him the same way that you think of your own characters. The reason why you can pickpocket Frostbrand is because it's in his inventory, where it can be pickpocketed; it's not a bug. He seems to be wearing Defender on his head in his helmet slot, so I like to think that he's wielding it with his teeth.

Other non-joinable NPC's have similar attributes. For example, Flesh Golems wear a "ring" with the item code "IMMUNE1" that makes them immune to weapons that have less than a +1 enchantment. Ankhegs wield "weapons" called "ANKHEG1" and "ANKHEG2". Again, those items are not "droppable", so that's why you don't see them on the ground after you kill those monsters.

Ryo · Post by **Ryo** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:03 pm

@VonDondu -

Heh... pretty cool. Next time I'll try nicking his scimitar, just to see how it turns out. I'll probably have to reload a few times in the process, though. ^_-

Out of curiosity, which program are you using that allows you to view Drizzt's inventory, stats, etc.? I know that the creature browser in ShadowKeeper lets you do that, but GateKeeper doesn't seem to have that function. Where could I download this program?

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 12:59 pm

Originally posted by VonDondu

I think that scimitars fall under the proficiency type "Large Swords", and they're the only type of Large Sword that a Druid may use.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure if a Druid can use a scimitar unless you've installed TotSC. Does anyone know if a Druid can use a scimitar in the orginal BG1 without the expansion?

BTW, you don't have to kill Drizzt to get one of his scimitars. PICKPOCKET instead. It won't ruin your reputation or your alignment.

I believe they are small swords - I will check and confirm, but you are right - a druid cannot wield any other 'sword'

Checked - it is a large sword - I stand corrected

well at least the Frostbrand is anyway...this is ironic, since you cannot give a druid long sword proficiency...

I have ToSC but did not have it installed when I equipped my Avenger with Frostbrand - so the expansion has no effect here

True!

@Ryo, Coran and a potion of genius pickpocketed successfully on the first attempt

Of course I saved just beforehand

Ryo · Post by **Ryo** » Mon Jun 10, 2002 1:54 pm

Hm... I've heard it said that if your character has any of Drizzt's equipment on him when you import him into BG2, Drizzt is notably upset with you when you meet him again. If this is the case, what does he say? Does it inevitably lead to conflict or can you talk him out of it? Finally, would that make it impossible to enlist his help in the final battle against Bodhi?

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:19 am

I'm pretty sure TotSC changed something about the scimitars. Druids couldn't use them before? They were short swords but became long swords? Anyone got the TotSC Readme-file available?

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:05 am

@Astafas, I have ToSC but it is not installed. I cannot remember if there is a change to scimitars, but my druid can wield a scimitar now...and at least Frostbrand is showing as a large sword...If I get a chance, I will check out the read me file later on today

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:17 am

@Ycheesia

(for your imported Avenger, of course)

Great. Otherwise I'll probably be able to late tonight.

Yshania · Post by **Yshania** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:30 am

LOL!

Indeed

Here is the ToSC read me file, I can't see anything weapon specific here:

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 6:38 am

No, nothing there. I'm positive I've read something about it, though. Do you have the manual available as well? There could be something about there (it in the beginning).

VonDondu · Post by **VonDondu** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 12:30 pm

Astafas, I remember reading something about scimitars, too, but I can't remember exactly what it was. Perhaps a patch gave Druids the ability to wield scimitars.

Ryo, I use Infinity Explorer to look up information about BG1 and BG2 all the time. You can download it at http://infexp.sourceforge.net . It's not an editor; it is simply a "viewer", and it lets you see EVERYTHING. I mostly use it to look at dialogues. I also look at Global Variable triggers when I need to debug a game, or if I want to control events in the game. It's very easy to use. The only tricky part is figuring out the character codes and items codes. Fortunately, in BG1 the codes are fairly straightforward. They're not straightforward at all in BG2, but fortunately, you can look up creatures and items by name in Shadowkeeper and then find them easily in Infinity Explorer.

Drizzt does in fact wear a scimitar on his head in BG2 (try using the cheat key Ctrl-Q and see for yourself). I'm not so sure about BG1. But how much more proof do you need that he wields a scimitar with his teeth? It's indisputable.

As for whether Drizzt will react badly towards you if you steal his equipment (or kill him) and then meet him again in Shadows of Amn, my answer is this. I've never done such a thing. In order to find out what would happen, I'd either have to do it myself or look up the dialogues in Infinity Explorer. Why don't you see for yourself?

I'll give you some hints, though. If you start BG2 with any of Drizzt's equipment in your inventory, the game makes a note of it (with the use of the Global Variable "BG1DrizztItem"=1). Even if you drop the item before you meet Drizzt, he will know what you did to him. But if you had the nerve to kill him or steal his equipment in BG1, why would you back down from him in BG2? He might even be afraid of you.

Astafas · Post by **Astafas** » Tue Jun 11, 2002 1:09 pm

Originally posted by VonDondu
Astafas, I remember reading something about scimitars, too, but I can't remember exactly what it was. Perhaps a patch gave Druids the ability to wield scimitars.

Well, it wasn't in the manual either... I know for certain that there is no scimitars to buy before you install TotSC. But maybe a Druid could still use Drizzt's scimitars...